Go play Halo, Gears, Turok, Quake ect... and you will see players fighting over power weapons. That is a key point to controlling the game and map. You will never win an objective gametype without controlling power weapons unless the other team are absolute trash.

Bubble the heavy, spin up heir apparent, and done. Toxic quest steps promote and champion toxic tactics.

This logic applies to the entire quest. The minute I finished the quest and could just... Play the game, I had a better time and performed better as well. We're just tired of being shoved into these specific play styles and weapons. Hell, I don't even like to queue in freelance when playing solo because it's almost a guarantee that my bloobs are just in there to finish a quest or bounty and have no interest in even pretending to try and win. Heavy kills are the culmination of all the other annoyances of banner and Bungie's quest design, and pushes you to be as selfish as possible, just to get the quest done.

The core issue with these quest step are the fact that it's everybody for themselves rather than the quest should be team based.

The heavy quest step wouldn't be such a pain in the ass if it was retroactive and any heavy kills you got playing normally before even reaching that quest step counted.

Tl;dr We detest the way Bungie forces us to fight over the heavy ammo in pvp for these dopey ass quests in IB.

[quote]The idea of having heavy weapon kills in PvP for quest progression isn't a bad idea. It's actually kind of fun, since it guides the player into playing with the big guns. Bungie took in the feedback and reduced the amount needed for the quest. This is a good move, but unfortunately Bungie didn't actually look into the real reason [i]why[/i] players dislike it so much. The real reason these steps are so detested are because they generate alot of salt and toxicity. It's undeniable that PvP is not in the best spot, nor has it been in a while, but that's a whole different topic I don't want to touch on right now. The point is, by the time people reach this step, they are most likely tired and just want to finish it. This causes them to focus on the heavy ammo rather than trying to play for fun. It is extremely easy to be denied a ammo crate, especially if you're paying too much attention to it instead of your enemies around you. This can cause frustration because they just want to get it over with, which causes them to get more desperate, which causes even more frustration when they are denied again. The problem is not with the amount of kills necessary, but rather how heavy ammo is distributed currently in PvP. When you have multiple players fighting over a rare heavy ammo at once that only spawns about 4 times a match, it generates alot of emotion as the tension to claim it is increased. This pressure can cause building frustration if they repeatedly fail, especially if they feel it's not fair, which is extremely likely due to the current nature of the Crucible. I am not sure how to remedy this outside of maybe a sort of Iron Banner exclusive catch-up mechanic. Such as, if a team is losing by more than ~50 points, they start respawning with 1 kill's worth of heavy ammo. It won't help people on the winning team, but it will at least guarantee some heavy ammo to some without stress or pressure and it could help smooth out the snowball victories that can happen in Iron Banner.[/quote] Well you only have your selves to blame. The same complete !diots crying about the heavy steps were the same !diots that got heavy ammo drop nerfed, heavy ammo capacity nerfed, and heavy ammo spawns nerfed. At what point will you ever be accountable for not only your actions or lack thereof but your !diotic requests? Can't make this crap up. I easily got it done so suffer the same. The further back you go the better this game and its players get. #MDGA#.

Playing the heavy is the best part of the Crucible. It's 3 kills and it's silly. It should be 50 kills

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