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5/17/2021 5:10:16 AM
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[quote]Bungie. The entire -blam!-ing community has been begging you to remove Stasis from PVP or at least Trials and comp. Either -blam!-ing listen or admit you don't care about PVP.[/quote]
No need to overstate your opinion. If you don’t like stasis in PvP just say that. Lying and saying I don’t like it in PVP ruins your point. I like stasis in the game.
They aren’t going to remove it from PvP so time to adapt.
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Sorry Oni, but I emphatically disagree with you. Stasis is a blight in crucible, and I’m getting extremely sick of it. PvE it’s fine, but it does not belong in PvP.
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[quote]Sorry Oni, but I emphatically disagree with you. Stasis is a blight in crucible, and I’m getting extremely sick of it. PvE it’s fine, but it does not belong in PvP.[/quote] That’s fine. Stasis belongs in crucible to counter two of the most powerful strategies that did not have a true counter until stasis: straight line rushing and hand holding. That is valuable.
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And I fully disagree with that. We had a counter to that, and people whined and complained and got that counter nerfed. We don’t need an oppressive subclass to counter a rush strategy.
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[quote]And I fully disagree with that. We had a counter to that, and people whined and complained and got that counter nerfed. We don’t need an oppressive subclass to counter a rush strategy.[/quote] It doesn’t just counter a rush strategy.
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Editado por Lord Kielron: 5/19/2021 4:12:18 PMOni, it is fn oppressive as f. Literally sick of being slowpressored/frozen. It takes away any semblance of gunplay whatsoever. Literally not fun to play. I’m sorry, but claiming it’s necessary to PvP is not a sentiment I will entertain whatsoever.
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[quote]Oni, it is fn oppressive as f. Literally sick of being slowpressored/frozen. It takes away any semblance of gunplay whatsoever. Literally not fun to play. I’m sorry, but claiming it’s necessary to PvP is not a sentiment I will entertain whatsoever.[/quote] It isn’t oppressive, but I’m not going to try and convince you to enjoy playing with it if you don’t. The criticisms you’re leveling in your comment apply to all abilities however, so as long as your just stating your preference I have no argument with that.
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It is Oppressive. But it’s not my place to convince you otherwise. It’s just going to weigh heavily on my choice of whether to continue bothering with this franchise at some point. Sorry you aren’t able to see it, but we all have our opinions. I have always long thought Suppression effects have no place in a PvP environment. Freezing is just the worst type. It just means the one reason I still play is starting to piss me off, and it’s not long before I won’t return.
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[quote]It is Oppressive. But it’s not my place to convince you otherwise. It’s just going to weigh heavily on my choice of whether to continue bothering with this franchise at some point. Sorry you aren’t able to see it, but we all have our opinions. I have always long thought Suppression effects have no place in a PvP environment. Freezing is just the worst type. It just means the one reason I still play is starting to piss me off, and it’s not long before I won’t return.[/quote] Not trying to convince you to play a game you aren’t enjoying. I know anecdotally it isn’t true that stasis is oppressive in PVP, but if you have a data breakdown of subclass usage you want to show me.
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[quote]I like stasis in the game.[/quote] I'm fine with the fact that you like it. This is your personal opinion and I respect it. But do you think that the Stasis mechanic (insta-freze, slowind down) is fine for a PvP enviroment like Destiny's? Expecially in a simil-competitive scenario like Trials?
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[quote][quote]I like stasis in the game.[/quote] I'm fine with the fact that you like it. This is your personal opinion and I respect it. But do you think that the Stasis mechanic (insta-freze, slowind down) is fine for a PvP enviroment like Destiny's? Expecially in a simil-competitive scenario like Trials?[/quote] Yeah it’s totally fine. Both teams have movement and coordination
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What that does even mean? "Both teams have movement and cordination"? What are you talking about? I just asked if for you is okay that in a game like Destiny have a broken mechanic like insta-frezing is okay. Now I ask you, why?
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[quote]What that does even mean? "Both teams have movement and cordination"? What are you talking about? I just asked if for you is okay that in a game like Destiny have a broken mechanic like insta-frezing is okay. Now I ask you, why?[/quote] And I answered YES ITS TOTALLY FINE. Both teams have movement and coordination so both teams can use and counter stasis like they do any other subclass and it’s abilities. The reason why is it offers new tactics to the same sandbox players have been using for 3 years when BL dropped, and it introduces counters to the most abused and uncounterable tactics in the game (straight line rushing and hand holding).
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Ok, so for you because someone can move and coordinate with his teammates this makes Stasis fine and not broken? This is what you're trying to say? I'm geniunely curious to understand, that's why I'm asking.
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[quote]Ok, so for you because someone can move and coordinate with his teammates this makes Stasis fine and not broken? This is what you're trying to say? I'm geniunely curious to understand, that's why I'm asking.[/quote] That is what I am saying. Stasis is abilities, and abilities can be avoided with movement and awareness. Team play (especially for a competitive environment like ToO) amplifies movement and awareness because more eyes can mouths can coordinate using abilities and tracking enemy abilities.
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"Adapt" why does everyone say "adapt" you can't adapt to 3 people in trials throwing stasis at you at the start of each round before even 10 seconds go by. You can't adapt, two shurikens hitting you from across the map. You can't adapt a titan melee hitting you from 8/15m. You can't adapt to fight the supers. You can't adapt being slowed and gunned to death. You can't adapt being frozen and enemy having 10 seconds of 2 tapping you with a 120 or 1 shot you in the body with a sniper regardless if your frozen or not. If you believe stasis is fine or balanced or whatever you are utterly ignorant and that's not even my words that's the words of so many people. The only reason I use stasis to give me all that shit I've stated above is because 9 times out of 10 the enemy will run it. I hate that I use stasis to combat other stasis users. When beyond light first dropped it was fun but immensely broken and received nerfs and yet still broken and it got real old real fast to even use it or being hit by it. You can't adapt against it. I know because I have to crutch on it if I want the best chance to win and get a lot of hate from it.
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[quote]"Adapt" why does everyone say "adapt" you can't adapt to 3 people in trials throwing stasis at you at the start of each round before even 10 seconds go by. You can't adapt, two shurikens hitting you from across the map. You can't adapt a titan melee hitting you from 8/15m. You can't adapt to fight the supers. You can't adapt being slowed and gunned to death. You can't adapt being frozen and enemy having 10 seconds of 2 tapping you with a 120 or 1 shot you in the body with a sniper regardless if your frozen or not. If you believe stasis is fine or balanced or whatever you are utterly ignorant and that's not even my words that's the words of so many people. The only reason I use stasis to give me all that shit I've stated above is because 9 times out of 10 the enemy will run it. I hate that I use stasis to combat other stasis users. When beyond light first dropped it was fun but immensely broken and received nerfs and yet still broken and it got real old real fast to even use it or being hit by it. You can't adapt against it. I know because I have to crutch on it if I want the best chance to win and get a lot of hate from it.[/quote] You absolutely can adapt to playing against stasis, they are abilities just like the light classes have. You can’t stand in a pulse grenade until it kills you and then say “arc subclasses are broken and should be removed from PVP”. It punishes two of the most popular and abusive tactics in PVP, and players need to adapt their play or they will continue to be punished. Stasis doesn’t counter stasis.
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Are you low on any sense.... Arc nade don't stand in it.... Yeah that's true but stasis you can't even move once slowed or frozen your dead. You can't get off two accurate shots off while slowed. Your one of those people who are absolutely ignorant of the fact that slow or frozen you can't do anything against that to counter. And because many of the stasis abilities track you can't escape from it.
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[quote]Are you low on any sense.... Arc nade don't stand in it.... Yeah that's true but stasis you can't even move once slowed or frozen your dead. You can't get off two accurate shots off while slowed. Your one of those people who are absolutely ignorant of the fact that slow or frozen you can't do anything against that to counter. And because many of the stasis abilities track you can't escape from it.[/quote] The easiest counter is movement, just like adapting to not stand in pulse nades. Time to adapt. Creating your own mental constructs that “hold you back” to excuse your performance when you don’t want to improve doesn’t apply to the game or people playing it.
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And you deserve that hate for still using it despite knowing better. I expect hate whenever I use it and I deserve it. Stasis just plain sucks.
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[quote]And you deserve that hate for still using it despite knowing better. I expect hate whenever I use it and I deserve it. Stasis just plain sucks.[/quote] I can’t imagine anyone being so sad as to hate someone else for playing a video game.
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I agree 100% agree with you dude. Just wish stasis didn't exist. But bungie apparently loves stasis in the game.
