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2/25/2021 4:11:32 PM
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The point of trials is for the best to go against the best.
They should not dumb it down to patronize low skilled players.
Dont play trials if your not good at pvp.
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Don't give the top players better loot then, they don't need it. It doesn't matter that they "deserve" it because they're going flawless 3 times a week, they don't need the better loot. It only serves to make things worse for everyone else. Not to mention the carries both (free and paid) and the account recoveries are just the better players giving the best loot to people who aren't earning it, so what would be the difference in throwing trials loot into the regular loot pool then? It clearly doesn't matter so just give it to everyone or stop making things like the adept Igneous Hammer. Its Not Forgotten all over again.
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[quote]Don't give the top players better loot then, they don't need it. It doesn't matter that they "deserve" it because they're going flawless 3 times a week, they don't need the better loot. It only serves to make things worse for everyone else. Not to mention the carries both (free and paid) and the account recoveries are just the better players giving the best loot to people who aren't earning it, so what would be the difference in throwing trials loot into the regular loot pool then? It clearly doesn't matter so just give it to everyone or stop making things like the adept Igneous Hammer. Its Not Forgotten all over again.[/quote] So dont reward people fornpkaying the game? Great idea. Should they take out weapon rewards from raids as well? Since not everyone can beat a raid?
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Editado por Zurreal: 2/26/2021 11:44:55 AM[quote] Its Not Forgotten all over again. [/quote] It absolutely is not. No weapon in the history of Trials is even close to how broken Not Forgotten was before they nerfed it. All current weapons in Trials (except for Messenger I guess, with the Desperado roll) have counterparts that you can get elsewhere in the game. Not Forgotten was an undisputed champion.
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False, because they best have been getting free rides squashing players well below their skill level instead of playing against other highly skilled players. Your argument makes no sense, and the greats players would cry like babies having it be fair and go against each other.
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[quote]False, because they best have been getting free rides squashing players well below their skill level instead of playing against other highly skilled players. Your argument makes no sense, and the greats players would cry like babies having it be fair and go against each other.[/quote] They go against whoever they are matched up against. If someone with no business being in trials plays trials thats not their fault. And i love how the people who cant make it to 3 wins are saying the flawless people arent pkaying against anyone with skill. Its cardbased....
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People who have no business being in trials? Listen to yourself. Bungie put loot in trials that makes whoever CAN go flawless even better loot than anyone else can get. This increases the skill gap even further and makes PvP even LESS fun for everyone else, then if/when SBMM is turned back on it becomes significantly less fun for the people who have this loot because they can suddenly only play against each other. Endgame PvP shouldn't mean top tier loot if its going to remain inaccessible because people such as yourself are being a bunch of selfish elitists.
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[quote]People who have no business being in trials? Listen to yourself. Bungie put loot in trials that makes whoever CAN go flawless even better loot than anyone else can get. This increases the skill gap even further and makes PvP even LESS fun for everyone else, then if/when SBMM is turned back on it becomes significantly less fun for the people who have this loot because they can suddenly only play against each other. Endgame PvP shouldn't mean top tier loot if its going to remain inaccessible because people such as yourself are being a bunch of selfish elitists.[/quote] If you have a negative kd and your constantly at the bottom of the leaderboard why would you go play trials aka end game pvp. With my skill level i have no business being in trials either. Your just uoset because your not good enough to go flawless. Simple as that. So since you cant do it the people who can shouldnt get rewards? Thats incredibly selfish of you. It doesnt widen the skill gap. Basically every weapon rewarded in trials has a counter weapon thats basically the same thats earned outside of trials. You think someones beating you just because they have hammer? No. If they didnt have that they would be beating you with steady hand. You call them selfish elitist because they earn a reward. Get rhe -blam!- over yourself kid. I bet youd demand a gold medal if you place 9th in a race as well.
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Not at all. I'm just pointing out that we are in the same situation as we were when Not Forgotten was meta. The rich get richer. People get carried for this gear as well, they're not earning it so how is that fair to anyone else? Why have this gear for the best players when clearly thats not what matters in Trials anymore?
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[quote]Not at all. I'm just pointing out that we are in the same situation as we were when Not Forgotten was meta. The rich get richer. People get carried for this gear as well, they're not earning it so how is that fair to anyone else? Why have this gear for the best players when clearly thats not what matters in Trials anymore?[/quote] It does matter. The only people it doesnt matter to is the people who are jealous tat they cant get them. Not forgotten is a horrible comparison. It was op to the extreme. The rewards for trials are not on that level. You dont need the hammer. Its not incredibly better then other 120s like bottom dollar and steady hand that anyone can get.
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You decide who plays trials? It’s the business of anyone who PAID to play this game. Every pvp game has a skill based rank system. You get better beating players in your level and moving up. You can’t get better getting destroyed in seconds by players well above you.
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[quote]You decide who plays trials? It’s the business of anyone who PAID to play this game. Every pvp game has a skill based rank system. You get better beating players in your level and moving up. You can’t get better getting destroyed in seconds by players well above you.[/quote] never said i decided. I specifically said nobody decides who they get matched up with in trials. You clearly lack reading comprehension if my point went over your head. Its no different then me saying someone whos light level is 1250 has no business going into a 1320 power activity. Your entire logic is just dumb and wrong. Trials is cardbased. So the people on their last needed win are going against another team at the same stage. And since the lower skilled players cant even get to 3 wins....how can you say the tryhards are not playing other tryhards? Sure the first game or two they can be matched against allmost anyone. But if they are going flawless they are playing other teams that are around the same skill as them since they both have to be on that many wins. The amount of kids on here that are so salty because others are better then them at a video game is just asinine. Different people are better at different things. It means nothing esp in a video game.
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Umm thats why they should have a flawless tier system the more flawless you get the harder it is. Tier 1-5 flawless....tier 6-10...then youre actually not dumbing it down
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[quote]Umm thats why they should have a flawless tier system the more flawless you get the harder it is. Tier 1-5 flawless....tier 6-10...then youre actually not dumbing it down[/quote] And if they did that. The people who cant make it past flawless tier whatever will -blam!- and moan that the game needs changed so they can. The issue is people thinking they are entitled to every reward regardless of skill level. If they do the tier list thing you soeak of they have to have the rewards to back them up. And the second that happens people will conplain they are not capable of getting them.
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Then remove the absurd rewards. No more top tier loot locked behind walls only a tiny percentage can reach, just cosmetics. No more weapons that create skill gap because a few can use everyone else as a ladder to the lighthouse and better loot that they CLEARLY don't need to stomp everyone else with.
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[quote]Then remove the absurd rewards. No more top tier loot locked behind walls only a tiny percentage can reach, just cosmetics. No more weapons that create skill gap because a few can use everyone else as a ladder to the lighthouse and better loot that they CLEARLY don't need to stomp everyone else with.[/quote] You can blame the weapons on you getting stomped. But your just lying to yourself. If those players didnt have summoner theyd stomp you with gnawing hunger, if not hammer it would be steady hand or bottom dollar, etc. Your entire logic is “its unfair that i cant earn the rewards so nobody should”.
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The weapons can be a part of why you lose, you know that right? If I have a decent roll on a 120 hand canon and someone else has an adept igneous hammer, they have the weapon with better stats, especially if they have the right adept mods. There's a difference between having the best weapon and not, its not like another player having a better weapon or even just a better roll doesn't put me at a disadvantage.
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[quote]The weapons can be a part of why you lose, you know that right? If I have a decent roll on a 120 hand canon and someone else has an adept igneous hammer, they have the weapon with better stats, especially if they have the right adept mods. There's a difference between having the best weapon and not, its not like another player having a better weapon or even just a better roll doesn't put me at a disadvantage.[/quote] If they didnt have the hammer they would beat you with steady hand. If your in a spot where your skill is the exact same level as the other person and it came down to the weapon....that means your capable of getting the weapon just like they were.
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First of all you need skill to get flawless as you go up the tier list.....and yes offer better rewards shards, bright dust, ascendent, cores, triumphs but not weapons maybe slowly get pieces of armor to glow where eventually you get the complete set..even silver.
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[quote]First of all you need skill to get flawless as you go up the tier list.....and yes offer better rewards shards, bright dust, ascendent, cores, triumphs but not weapons maybe slowly get pieces of armor to glow where eventually you get the complete set..even silver.[/quote] It makes no sense to go through all that and not get a weapon as a reward. Shards, prosms, bright dust, etc are all pretty crappy rewards that anyone can get for the easiest things. Weapons are the ultimate rewards and for end game activites they should be the reward. Its no different then raids. If you take out exclusive raid weapons nobody is going to play them more then once or twice.
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It makes no sense because you deem it so. You want these rewards to be there because it means you can get them, you're are being incredibly selfish.
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[quote]It makes no sense because you deem it so. You want these rewards to be there because it means you can get them, you're are being incredibly selfish.[/quote] Lmao look at my game records. I cant get a win streak in iron banner you think i am gonna go flawless? I dont pkay trials because i know my pvp skills arent good enough. So wanna try that logic again?
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Whatever highest tier would have an awesome weapon tier 100....
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[quote]Whatever highest tier would have an awesome weapon tier 100....[/quote] But then the issue of people conplaining would still be there. If theres a reward rhat someone cant earn through their own skill they will demand it be made easier so they can get it. They do it now with adept weapons.
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Going flawless the first time will give you the adept weapon but to get the ultimate prize at the top will take longer and to get to that point having the adept weapon drop at the first flawless will even the playing field..
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[quote]Going flawless the first time will give you the adept weapon but to get the ultimate prize at the top will take longer and to get to that point having the adept weapon drop at the first flawless will even the playing field..[/quote] It doesnt matter what the reward is at the top your going to have people conplain when they cant get it. They could have it set up now where after 1 win you get the weapon, 3 wins armor, and then flawless only vets adept. And people will complain they can only earn the non adept version. Its a no win situation for bungie when theres soo many people feel they are entitled to everything.
