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2/7/2021 6:20:29 AM
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There are so many reliable ways to counter shotguns now I just can't understand these posts.
Sidearms.
The Last Word.
Another shotgun.
Stasis.
Several abilities that can make them an easy cleanup, such a celestial fire.
Several grenade + primary combos.
List goes on.
And with the SMG buff next season, we're just going to get another option.
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Walking backwards works too
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You say there are so many ways to counter shotguns now😂. And you run Felwinters? That’s a hot one😂. Coming from someone who never uses shotguns I can tell you your full of sh*t. Last season sidearms were the only good counter now this season shotgun range is way further out with mods, slideshot while players movement is also way faster especially hunters that sidearms have zero chance unless your wide open and see them coming and even th n a hunter with the helmet that lets them blink your done. Titans can also close the gap before you can kill them. Shotguns are the most used weapon in the game along with hc’s because they’re both no skill weapons right now. Shotguns should have slideshot taken off along with snapshot sites.
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Shot gunners are so easy to counter and it’s not even funny, sweats with a shotgun are a different story but those slide shotgunning apes you guys cry about are easy to shutdown, a shotgun, fusion, side arm, hell even a handcannon are easy to shut down a shotgun ape with, it’s called backpedaling
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Editado por CeramicSugar248: 2/9/2021 12:04:35 AMYou know you can also use a shotgun as an effective counter as well, i run the tlw and felwinters regularly, statis works in rather well here also. So my range is 18m or less which means you choose to be super aggressive or play your range with baiting. I play the passive role and have to say im never short of shotgun apes to practice counters. top tier players will always be top tier players while the rest are more than manageable Edit, btw shotguns have had no change to there range at all,
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That’s my whole point, I don’t use shotguns because they’re no skill weapons that are bring to use and players should be forced to use the same weapon as everyone else! That means there’s a balance issue. Players aren’t using shotgun because it’s fun their using it because they can’t get kills with sidearms or fusions with bad aim. Yes I’ve played shotguns the last hc/shotgun meta where Dustrock ruled and it got really stale and boring. Slideshot, snapshot need to come off shotguns period and aim assist needs to come down. They need to be harder to use. Last season sidearms could easily handle apes this season it’s like throwing potatoes at shotgun apes. Their should be a counter for every gun in the game.
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Tlw and stasis is more than enough of a counter from my perspective . My secondary is irrelevant as long as respect the range if I get into 10m or closer I'm most likely dead and I messed up The whole shotties are bad thing makes me laugh , revoker was bad , mountaintop was bad ,recluse was bad , shotguns are Easy street in comparison
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Literally my best games are probably the ones where I'm using The Last Word. Why? Because using that gun in this environment forces you to be aware of shotguns and play smart. If you're having trouble with shotguns, it is your fault. Any arguemnt to that just shows your own ignorance and your lack of confidence, evident by your FALSE claim that shotgun range has been extended.
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I’m ignorant 😂. You realize how many weapons there in the game right? If you look up weapon usage right now you’ll see shotguns and hc’s are the most used guns in the game by a long shot. You literally made my point by telling me to use a shotgun to counter or use a hc like Last Word. I don’t and never will use shotguns and hc’s again because they’re boring and there not much skill involved and no one should be forced to use a hc or shotgun if that’s the only means to win. Right now there is no effective counter for shotguns or hc’s because they’re so much more op than anything that lose right now. It makes bad players who have terrible aim beat good players that are using other weapons with good aim. I don’t know how to explain it any better for you to see understand.
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Also the reason shotgun handcannons are the most used is because the base level of skill required to use a shotgun isn’t very high, however there is a major skill gap with shotguns, if you just ape with one you will never get kills against average players, it is also the most used because hand cannons can cover medium range efficiently while shotguns cover short, and in destiny pvp the most important ranges are medium range and short range hence why snipers usually only use snipers with lower zoom
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The Last Word has less than 2% usage in any given playlist. Lumping it together with the rest of the other hand cannons is both unjustified and illogical. I proved nothing about your "point", while you have proven your ignorance once again. Learn more about the game and those stats you mentioned before you reply again. Otherwise you won't be worth a response.
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But it’s a hand canon! Lear I I f how to play isn’t the answer pal. All I play is comp and I have over 116,500 PvP kills so I’m fairly confident in my skills. Last season I could counter shotgun apes easily with sidearms this season I can about 1 or 2 times out of 10, why? Because shotguns like Felwinters, Astral, Seventh Seraph have more range , player movement is faster and with snapshot sites they close the gap even from a distance so fast I can barely. That’s why everyone is using shotgun and not sidearms or smg’s.
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Editado por Wes: 2/8/2021 3:30:48 PMIt is a hand cannon in name only. It doesn't operate like a single one of the other hand cannons and you know that. It couldn't be further from any of the "meta" ones either. You've made a good point about sidearms not being as good as they were last season, but you're wrong about why. Shotguns have no more range than they did last season. None. Absolutely none. Let's get that out of the way right now. But why are sidearms so much worse now? Because with Felwinter's being the only non-sunsest, easily accessible high imapct shotty with a good roll, everyone is using it. And what does it have? Quickdraw. What are the rolls people use on Astral? Quickdraw ones. And quickdraw is a literal get-out-of-jail-free card for shotgun users. They can have bad movement and get completely out-maneuvered by a sidearm user and still be okay simply because of quickdraw. On top of that, with stasis and things like Behemoth movement within the neutral game and the slow hunter dodge, closing the gap or punishing sidearms has never been easier. Especially since slow reduces weapon accuracy by a significant amount. Slow reduces pretty much every single thing a sidearm relies on. Movement, accuracy, recoil, handling, etc. That is not a universal shotgun problem. That is a problem with quickdraw on high impact shotties and stasis. But even then, sidearms are not bad. I played Trials with a girl this season and got my entire team our Flawless title for the season. She was rocking Mida and a sidearm the ENTIRE time and did just fine. You just have to be twice as good with them as you were last season to make them work, primarily because of stasis and quickdraw.
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Can't really depend on abilities when almost everyone is pretty much using shotguns and your abilities won't recharge in time
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Agreed with everything except for SMGs, the buff doesn't do much against shotguns. <--- PC player who uses smg quite often.
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[quote]There are so many reliable ways to counter shotguns now I just can't understand these posts. Sidearms. The Last Word. Another shotgun. Stasis. Several abilities that can make them an easy cleanup, such a celestial fire. Several grenade + primary combos. List goes on. And with the SMG buff next season, we're just going to get another option.[/quote] That’s because they’re just bad.
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[quote][quote]There are so many reliable ways to counter shotguns now I just can't understand these posts. Sidearms. The Last Word. Another shotgun. Stasis. Several abilities that can make them an easy cleanup, such a celestial fire. Several grenade + primary combos. List goes on. And with the SMG buff next season, we're just going to get another option.[/quote] That’s because they’re just bad.[/quote] Lol and even if you feel secure in your counters, you gonna counter the entire 6 team? You think your team mates are countering? You may win some battles because you are countering but you will get overwhelmed with cross fire from other guys you trying to counter. In other words you gonna counter two-3 sliding stasis Titans coming right at you with your counter list??? Good luck I’d rather just delete the game.
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[quote][quote][quote]There are so many reliable ways to counter shotguns now I just can't understand these posts. Sidearms. The Last Word. Another shotgun. Stasis. Several abilities that can make them an easy cleanup, such a celestial fire. Several grenade + primary combos. List goes on. And with the SMG buff next season, we're just going to get another option.[/quote] That’s because they’re just bad.[/quote] Lol and even if you feel secure in your counters, you gonna counter the entire 6 team? You think your team mates are countering? You may win some battles because you are countering but you will get overwhelmed with cross fire from other guys you trying to counter. In other words you gonna counter two-3 sliding stasis Titans coming right at you with your counter list??? Good luck I’d rather just delete the game.[/quote] Gotta reload sometimes huh?!
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Editado por ThyNarc: 2/7/2021 6:33:47 PMThose dont work if the player has high ping which is a huge problem in pvp
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[quote]Thosd dont work if the player has high ping which iz a huge problem in pvp[/quote] Another good point. No counter to an unkillable blinking through walls player...
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Editado por ThyNarc: 2/7/2021 9:58:19 PMIts annoying i have hours of video of people shooting right after me its annoying asf
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[quote]Its abboying i have hours of video of people shooting right after me its annoying asf[/quote] I just leave the match lol dude be years away from me next frame right in my face killing me and 3 other guys lol. My team philosophy we will get em!! Just keep one by one running in insta dying lol what a great way to spend time after work lol
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Well that applies to every weapon. Not really an argument against shotguns when it applies to everything.
