[quote]I don't give a -blam!- about pvp. Pvp is shit and it always will be. Bungie didn't even put effort into new pvp maps why are they balancing the game around. The range nerf didn't need to be that much 16 m is nothing in pve. should have a range of 20-22 m or weighted hunter knives need to not do any body shot damage.[/quote] 16 metres is plenty, all the other classes make do without international border crossing melees. If you're genuinely struggling with PVE now you can't insta freeze enemies from 30metres then how did you cope before beyond light? Sorry but all you're doing by complaining about PVE being harder now is emphasising how bad a player you really are. Go eat a snickers and get a grip. Then go back to destiny and learn how to use a gun to kill things instead of crutchy abilities

You said "putting words in my mouth is bad and makes you a bad lawyer" but then twist my words at every possible chance. I never said anything you say I did. Seems youre a frog bc of the mental leaps you have to take to fight my argument. The melee ability was fun in pve. Pve isn't hard but that doesn't mean I can't have powerful ability to play with, in fact that's what makes the experience if you think about it. The power fantasy of D1 was great but we can't have that in D2 bc everything Bungie makes they always have to think "will pvp players cry?" Before they release any of it. Which is too bad half the player seems to think the game has to be boring in every game mode. If you don't want to put up with BS in the crucible go join those skrim communities where 90% of weapons and exotics are banned. Let the rest of us have fun in our PVE FOCUSED game since you clearly need a reminder.

[quote]You said "putting words in my mouth is bad and makes you a bad lawyer" but then twist my words at every possible chance. I never said anything you say I did. Seems youre a frog bc of the mental leaps you have to take to fight my argument. The melee ability was fun in pve. Pve isn't hard but that doesn't mean I can't have powerful ability to play with, in fact that's what makes the experience if you think about it. The power fantasy of D1 was great but we can't have that in D2 bc everything Bungie makes they always have to think "will pvp players cry?" Before they release any of it. Which is too bad half the player seems to think the game has to be boring in every game mode. If you don't want to put up with BS in the crucible go join those skrim communities where 90% of weapons and exotics are banned. Let the rest of us have fun in our PVE FOCUSED game since you clearly need a reminder.[/quote] Valid point, fun is definitely something lacking in destiny currently. I dont think that's to do purely with lack of abilities though, I think that's also down to activities not being varied or challenging enough. The current idea of challenging seems to be "make everything a laser accurate ohk mob and throw in a champion". But thats a discussion for another thread. I can see how the distance diminishes the fun factor, I also feel like the argument against pvp players is a tad unfair. I think if you did the digging a large proportion of players complaining about the pvp experience are pve players who haven't put time in and adapted. Not saying there are no pvp players who complain, just that its not just on them. I think the only way they can really find balance in crucible is to get rid of it completely. I love pvp and I'm definitely more a pvp player than pve, but I'd happily see it go of it meant they allowed pve to get "silly powerful" and made more challenging and engaging content.