The first few people that coined BLM as a phrase do not “run” it. They are are not in charge of the organization. They do not make the organization Marxist anymore than having Marxists in the US makes the US a Marxist country! Trump isn’t a Christian, not by any real Christian’s definition, does him being president make everyone an adulterer? No. Of course not. Yet many Christians voted for him in spite of their spiritual differences because they believed in him. If the first three BLM member had been Libertarian, BLM would look exactly the same as it does. Indeed, it very well could have been Christian. The people in the streets now weren’t looking for Marxists, they were looking for someone, [b]anyone[/b] to believe them. According to US history, that [b]should[/b] have been Christians. It [b]should[/b] have been their Government. It [b]should[/b] have been ALL OF US. But it wasn’t. And it hasn’t been for too long. And what have we done while they suffer? Take -blam!-ing pictures of ourselves, our food, argue over taxes and quibble over issues that should be inalienable. And in the face of all our collective failures, from the disingenuous “thoughts and prayers” we tout to the fears to which we abdicate our sovereignty, all some of us can do is equivocate. There is no side. [b]BLM already is all lives![/b] There are more White people in the streets than any other race. There are more [b]American Patriots[/b] involved than the few Marxists your focusing on. Unless, of course, your true intent is white supremacy. Then, you definitely are on a side.

[quote]The first few people that coined BLM as a phrase do not “run” it. They are are not in charge of the organization.[/quote] You are failing to understand the difference between an [i]Organization[/i] and a [i]Sentiment.[/i] Black Lives Matter as a [i]sentiment[/i] is not Marxist. I am not claiming that the phrase is Marxist. Black Lives Matter as an organization though is very much a Marxist organization. The founders have openly admitted to having and implementing Marxist ideologies, their about page talks about dissolving nuclear families, and at this point in time I hear and see a lot more "abolish capitalism" than I do "black lives matter" from the riots. [quote]They do not make the organization Marxist anymore than having Marxists in the US makes the US a Marxist country!The first few people that coined BLM as a phrase do not “run” it.[/quote] Again, this is a fallacy. You are trying to claim that I am calling BLM Marxist because of unassociated rioters who have Marxist beliefs. I am calling BLM Marxist because the founders literally have admitted to being trained Marxists. This can not be compared to the US in the slightest especially in the sense that because there are Marxists in the US it makes it a Marxist country. These concepts are completely different. [quote]Trump isn’t a Christian, not by any real Christian’s definition, does him being president make everyone an adulterer? No. Of course not. Yet many Christians voted for him in spite of their spiritual differences because they believed in him.[/quote] Again, you are completely misunderstanding what I am saying. Just because people support an organization and have different views and beliefs does not change the fact that the organizers and heads believe in a certain ideology. It is a FACT that these people are Marxists, and as the leaders of the organization they control the platform and donations. Comparing the President's private life to BLMs public ideology is a fallacy. [quote]If the first three BLM member had been Libertarian, BLM would look exactly the same as it does. Indeed, it very well could have been Christian.[/quote] Completely wrong. As a Libertarian personal choice and decisions are king. If this were a Libertarian organization their ideas of what's wrong with the black community wouldn't be "systematic racism" rather the personal choices and cultural norms of the inner-city. [quote]The people in the streets now weren’t looking for Marxists, they were looking for someone, anyone to believe them. According to US history, that should have been Christians. It should have been their Government. It should have been ALL OF US.[/quote] Again, [i]I AM NOT CLAIMING EVERYONE PROTESTING IS MARXIST[/i]. In the 1920s and 30s a lot of people who supported the The National Socialist German Workers' Party didn't fully agree with the anti-semitic undertones. But when rioters go out in to the streets and destroy shit in the name of Black Lives Matter, whether intentional or not, they are supporting a Marxist Organization. [quote]Take -blam!-ing pictures of ourselves, our food, argue over taxes and quibble over issues that should be inalienable. And in the face of all our collective failures, from the disingenuous “thoughts and prayers” we tout to the fears to which we abdicate our sovereignty, all some of us can do is equivocate.[/quote] I don't disagree here. Except for the taxes part and the fact that black people aren't actually oppressed by the government, in fact they are favored by affirmative action. At this point nothing can be done legally aside from promoting school choice and ruling back qualified immunity. The change needs to be cultural and not forced by the state. [quote]There is no side. BLM already is all lives! There are more White people in the streets than any other race. There are more American Patriots involved than the few Marxists your focusing on.[/quote] Again, you mix up sentiments and organizations. I don't know a single person who doesn't agree that Black Lives Matter. No one claims that aside from genuine racists. But again, I refuse to support an organization that is actively Marxist because their slogan is something that I and 98% of people agreed with from the start. If someone started an alt-right organization whose slogan was "Violence is Bad" I wouldn't support it and wouldn't expect anyone else to. [quote]Unless, of course, your true intent is white supremacy. Then, you definitely are on a side.[/quote] Again, I don't have to support BLM the organization to think Black Lives Matter. There is such a thing as nuance in belief.

[quote] You are failing to understand the difference between an [i]Organization[/i] and a [i]Sentiment.[/i] Black Lives Matter as a [i]sentiment[/i] is not Marxist. I am not claiming that the phrase is Marxist. Black Lives Matter as an organization though is very much a Marxist organization. The founders have openly admitted to having and implementing Marxist ideologies, their about page talks about dissolving nuclear families, and at this point in time I hear and see a lot more "abolish capitalism" than I do "black lives matter" from the riots [/quote] Trump thinks we need to drink disinfectant, but I didn’t fall for that either. You keep conflating in order to fit the world to your vision. That’s exactly how we got to this point. [quote]Again, this is a fallacy. You are trying to claim that I am calling BLM Marxist because of unassociated rioters who have Marxist beliefs.[/quote] Now you’re putting words into my mouth. [quote]I am calling BLM Marxist because the founders literally have admitted to being trained Marxists. This can not be compared to the US in the slightest especially in the sense that because there are Marxists in the US it makes it a Marxist country. These concepts are completely different.[/quote] They aren’t different. They are logically equivalent. [quote]Just because people support an organization and have different views and beliefs does not change the fact that the organizers and heads believe in a certain ideology. It is a FACT that these people are Marxists, and as the leaders of the organization they control the platform and donations. Comparing the President's private life to BLMs public ideology is a fallacy.[/quote] This is the last time I’m going to say this - BLM has no national or global leadership. It’s all local. You’d know that if you had spent even 15 minutes looking beyond what you want to see. [quote]If this were a Libertarian organization their ideas of what's wrong with the black community wouldn't be "systematic racism" rather the personal choices and cultural norms of the inner-city.[/quote] And now you speak for Libertarians, while simultaneously ignoring my point. I see where this discussion is going now. [quote]Again, [i]I AM NOT CLAIMING EVERYONE PROTESTING IS MARXIST[/i]. In the 1920s and 30s a lot of people who supported the The National Socialist German Workers' Party didn't fully agree with the anti-semitic undertones. But when rioters go out in to the streets and destroy shit in the name of Black Lives Matter, whether intentional or not, they are supporting a Marxist Organization.[/quote] no rioter is acting in the name of BLM. You are misinformed. [quote]I don't disagree here. Except for the taxes part and the fact that black people aren't actually oppressed by the government, in fact they are favored by affirmative action.[/quote] I never said anything about oppression. Further, I’m not mixing sentiment and organization. Indeed, I’m accusing you of sentiment. It’s all you’ve given. Sentiment and equivocation. You are mostly off-topic. You’re points shifted the goalposts at least three times, and I can only conclude it was to allow you to talk about affirmative action and blah blah blah that I said absolutely nothing about. This isn’t a conversation. I’m talking about children being shot in the park, innocent women beaten and shot, people killed in their own homes and yards. You’re talking about the goddamned 1980s. Gods day, I say, good day, Sir!

Facts. This. Fifty million American voters in support. 26 million marchers. It's still about police brutality, my friend. Hell. I'm a capitalist, right leaning (didn't vote for trump.), and a prior service. I marched, too, locally. This is one of those things that just gets bigger the more police brutalize the population. 26 million people got a chance to get outside, meet new friends, and smell the teargas. "It's Marxist" Is a projection. People scared of change want it to be Marxist so they can say so comfortably from behind their gated communities. It's the oldest play in the hoover rulebook.

At this point I think even those who are denying that BLM is Marxist know better. They're trying to perpetuate the ruse just a little bit longer at this point. They chanted "eat the rich" and "abolish capitalism now" during a march not far from where I live. They're not liberals, they're radicals.

Are you guys talking to each other and just patting yourselves on the back, or talking to me? The infamous 'they'. The Boogeyman. Of course people chant that. They're angry. During the March near me, nobody said anything like that. It's almost like, wait for it-- It's a social movement, and each area is different. Sadly, that sounds like something I'm going to have to repeat while goofballs come in here,and play like/dislike games of catch-all.

If you can't see what's really going on you need glasses and a hearing aid.

I still have no idea how the movement went from “Justice for George Floyd” to “Abolish American Government” Edit: Oh wait, I do, it’s because they’re Marxist and capitalize on tragedy to push an agenda!

The one unifying thing among them, is that local p.d. have been absolutely failing their mission and need corrected. How is the subject of a lot of debate.

First off, your comparison of private behavior to public declarations of political intent is laughable. The difference between Jefferson and Cullors is that Jefferson didn’t write “[i]All men should be free to schtoop any woman he wants[/i]” into the Declaration of Independence. Cullors clearly states her political agenda and BLM reflects its. Any denial that BLM leadership isn’t Marxist is foolish. Second off, you saying that the police is just kidnapping people off the streets never to be heard from again is empirically false. They are operating completely within their authority to detain, arrest, and charge suspected rioters and as it turns out, if the police can’t produce a charge they are released. Finally, you saying that the local PDs have failed is absolute bullshit. How you can look at Portland, LA, Seattle, and all these places that are breaking out in riots, whose government REFUSES to support law enforcement even publicly supporting the assaults on the Police and then blame that on the cops is beyond me. The reason the PDs can’t contain these riots is because every time they actually do their job lobotomites like you act like they’re the Gestapo. BLM is led by Marxists. This is undeniable. You are an absolute fool to try and argue otherwise.

Hamilton advocated in public support of a monarchy as an idea, He would later be an ardent supporter of the Constitution. Also, spare the insults. At least try to act like an adult here. If you're coming to pay lip service, then blow smoke. Otherwuse have a seat, strap in, calm down, and let's have an actual discussion. The BORTAC goons in Portland operating under Barr are absolutely not following their mandate. They rented private vehicles, and did in fact yank people off the street. That's something that actually happened. This situation that we are facing now was, at a point, entirely containable. Police utilized improper force, and escalated tensions to the point that it is now.

[quote]Hamilton advocated in public support of a monarchy as an idea, He would later be an ardent supporter of the Constitution. [/quote] Okay? Your point is what exactly? That people’s opinions change? Last time I checked, BLM and it’s leadership haven’t expressed support for the upkeep of the Constitution nor denied their Marxist ideologies. [quote]The BORTAC goons in Portland operating under Barr are absolutely not following their mandate. [/quote] They are operating within mandate and any I’m eager to look at any law you can find that says otherwise. [quote]They rented private vehicles, and did in fact yank people off the street. That's something that actually happened. [/quote] Nowhere does it say Police can’t operate in unmarked vehicles, in fact its extremely common. Also I never said that they didn’t pick people up off the streets, in fact I even said that they did. And again, you’re over exaggerating what they’re doing. They’re picking people up, detaining them, and if they can’t find a charge they literally let them go. This is fully justified especially considering the 2-month long riots. [quote]This situation that we are facing now was, at a point, entirely containable. Police utilized improper force, and escalated tensions to the point that it is now.[/quote] You say that like it’s the police’s fault and not the local government and media that have been egging these riots on for over two months. You also try and act as though the police aren’t being injured daily. Something around 173 police officers were injured in a single day, but apparently that’s just make believe.

How about trying to burn down a federal building while people are in it? Isn't it the federal government's duty to protect the building and those people? They didn't go out into Portland looking for peaceful protesters to harass, violent rioters came to [b][i]them![/i][/b]