These guns dominate the game at the moment and it’s ruining crucible. Autos with the same kill time as old lunas howl isn’t going to fly. Too much range, damage, mag size; literally no reason not to hit the umbral recasted for a gnawing hunger god roll in 2 decodes. And mountaintop is getting repetitive and sucking the life out of the game. The gun cannot be countered, even with humor. Splash damage and easy primary follow up or just random 1 shots from any point in the map. Nuff said.