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6/27/2020 7:45:25 PM
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Every exotic is bound to return. They’ve made fourth horseman, thorn, truth, and soon to be hawkmoon balanced. If those can be balanced, literally any D1 exotic can return. Just a matter of when
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Every exotic? Theres one argument to that. Pocket infinity.
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[quote]Every exotic? Theres one argument to that. Pocket infinity.[/quote] Next gen consoles can fix the problem it caused hands down
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Pocket infinity was the first to get dropped in D1 jus stahp
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Truth is balanced? You must have never played gambit. And while we're at it, you must not have played d1 pvp at all if you don't remember every sniper using icebreaker. What are the trials complaints now? That every game is just hiding with special ammo? And you think icebreaker will come back and not exaggerate that problem?
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[quote]Truth is balanced? You must have never played gambit. And while we're at it, you must not have played d1 pvp at all if you don't remember every sniper using icebreaker. What are the trials complaints now? That every game is just hiding with special ammo? And you think icebreaker will come back and not exaggerate that problem?[/quote] I play gambit all the time. Mainly prime. Haven’t this season yet due to this bullshit lockdown and different work hours. But truth is a balanced weapon. It’s only used because of the 3 rockets. The tracking isn’t the problem. Icebreaker could come back reworked. Ammo starts regenerating for a short time only after stepping on a special ammo brick. Same with invective.
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That rework would make it worse than any special weapon which gets ammo immediately after picking up a brick. And if they need to rework the gun, bungie might as well just make a new exotic instead of being lazy and reskinning everything. Face it, icebreaker will never return.
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[quote]That rework would make it worse than any special weapon which gets ammo immediately after picking up a brick. And if they need to rework the gun, bungie might as well just make a new exotic instead of being lazy and reskinning everything. Face it, icebreaker will never return.[/quote] I’m not a game designer. I’m just throwing out an example. If thorn aka the 2 tapper or hawkmoon the 1 tapper can come back, I guarantee they can find a way for icebreaker to come back.
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Balancing damage numbers is a lot easier than balancing a gun the breaks the special ammo economy without changing the gun entirely. It isn't coming back.
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[quote]Balancing damage numbers is a lot easier than balancing a gun the breaks the special ammo economy without changing the gun entirely. It isn't coming back.[/quote] Okay...do I need to remind you how whisper of the worm used to be? That ruined the ammo economy. Bungie fixed it to be balanced. Just because a mediocre destiny player (me) couldn’t figure out how to rework an exotic perk for an exotic after the first random thought that stuck my brain, doesn’t mean it won’t come back.
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Editado por RangerZ796: 6/28/2020 5:06:36 PMWhisper doesn't regenerate ammo without picking up any bricks and it never broke the ammo economy in pvp. Very different from icebreaker. If bungie needs to rework icebreaker entirely to bring it back, they might as well not and just make a new gun.
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[quote]Whisper doesn't regenerate ammo without picking up any bricks and it never broke the ammo economy in pvp. Very different from icebreaker. If bungie needs to rework icebreaker entirely to bring it back, they might as well not and just make a new gun.[/quote] While whisper never broke the pvp aspect of things, it did regenerate ammo without picking up bricks. Before it was nerfed, if you landed 3 precision hits the magazine was fully loaded and did not pull from reserves. Those 3 shots were regenerated. Icebreaker would not be a problem with the special ammo pvp sandbox we have currently. That’s if it stayed the way it was in D1 which is unlikely. In D2, you’re always running over special ammo. The regeneration wouldn’t be the problem. The problem would be in pve. The reason icebreaker was as good as it was was because of the fast regeneration and having to do nothing for it to happen. It could be reworked like thorn. Start with x rounds in the sniper. Get a kill and the target explodes in solar energy. The explosion leaves a solar flare on the ground. The flare remains there for 4-6 seconds. When you’re standing in it and a very short period after, that’s when regeneration could occur. Hell if they want to keep it the same as it was in D1, just make regeneration longer. Like 30 seconds if it’s that big of a deal
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I know how whisper works. If you have 0 ammo, you're not regenerating anything. If you miss a shot or take to long to land 3 crits, you're not regenerating anything. Icebreaker wasn't even remotely a problem in pve. It was a problem in trials where you would have entire teams camping in their spawns with icebreaker taking cheap low risk shots because they have unlimited ammo. That's why icebreaker was nerfed, why it didn't come to d2, and why it never will.
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[quote]I know how whisper works. If you have 0 ammo, you're not regenerating anything. If you miss a shot or take to long to land 3 crits, you're not regenerating anything. Icebreaker wasn't even remotely a problem in pve. It was a problem in trials where you would have entire teams camping in their spawns with icebreaker taking cheap low risk shots because they have unlimited ammo. That's why icebreaker was nerfed, why it didn't come to d2, and why it never will.[/quote] If you even read my last reply, you’d see the fix I presented and how it would fix the camping. And lastly, it was a problem in pve because everyone would just run icebreaker and sit in the back. Read my last attempt to fix the weapon. I think it would work because it would encourage less camping
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At that point bungie should show they still have creativity and make a new exotic instead of being lazy and reskinning something else from d1.
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[quote]At that point bungie should show they still have creativity and make a new exotic instead of being lazy and reskinning something else from d1.[/quote] Why? With the “fix” I added, what’s the point of making a new one? It’s icebreaker except you can’t camp. Only difference.
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Why? Because you're 0-2 on fixes. That fix is useless. You're not going to be able to get to that solar flare in 4-6 seconds to even regen ammo, so you're wasting your exotic slot by even using it. Not trying to be an ass but that's just how it is. Instead of trying to come up with half assed ways to reskin something from d1, how about accept that ammo regeneration is broken and doesn't need to return, especially as a reskinned gun instead of something new?
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[quote]Why? Because you're 0-2 on fixes. That fix is useless. You're not going to be able to get to that solar flare in 4-6 seconds to even regen ammo, so you're wasting your exotic slot by even using it. Not trying to be an ass but that's just how it is. Instead of trying to come up with half assed ways to reskin something from d1, how about accept that ammo regeneration is broken and doesn't need to return, especially as a reskinned gun instead of something new?[/quote] And like I said I’m not a game developer LMAO 😂 it could be 8-10 seconds. It could be 10-15 seconds. I’m not designing the damn thing. But I’m legitimately curious...how is it 0-2? Have you playtested something that doesn’t even exist?
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Of all the problems with trials, the special ammo economy is a minor issue
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That's not what i've seen. Besides cheaters, it's 3 peeking and camping because nobody wants to go out and get sniped. Guns regenerating ammo always broke the special ammo economy. It's why invective and icebreaker aren't in the game and why they never will be.
