Considering we were able to contain thorn, we might do the same thing to s t a s i s. Which, I know thorn is hive magic, and s t a s i s is literal darkness energy, but we still might see something similar.

Hive magic is also canonically Darkness. -blam!- is also unconfirmed to be the pure stuff. I just hope we get enough of an explanation for it given that anything Darkness related seems to be toxic to the Light. My bet is they’ll ignore it completely or say it’s by the Pyramid’s design.

The toxicity might stem from the mindset of the user. That’s probably why Shin, his Dredgens and we didn’t turn out like Yor. Despite Shin saying they are offering the power of the Darkness in the lore book. The whole, thin line between the two sides is akin to two sides of the same coin.Despite being different [i]visibly[/i], under the surface they are still the same material. So that’s probably why we can keep our Light and Ghost. Same raw power, different kind of manifestation. As long as we don’t succumb to corruption, we are good. I expect to see some names Guardians to fall to drive that home in the narrative.

Presumably, but I don’t think it’s quite the fact that they are the same, but rather that they’re inextricably linked. In the Garden of Salvation lore we saw Guardians that had taken the gift the Dark offered, in the Trials lore we see a Guardian wielding corrupted Light to torture another. It’s weird but it definitely seems that Bungie are dedicating themselves to a line from Uldren we all thought was a cliched quote about morality.

Same energy, different flavor. I mean, Yor never purged his Light or his Ghost yet became a Dark baddie.

His Ghost left him and Dredgen Yor has never once been catalogued as using the Light.

His Ghost left [i]long[/i] after he turned Dark and it was only after Yor threatened to destroy it if it didn’t. As long as Yor was connected to his Ghost, which he was after he went Dark since there was never a sundering mentioned and it stayed with him until then, he is still connected to the Light. He doesn’t have to materialize it to have it, ya know.

Except for the simple fact that all of his victims demonstrate that his Ghost being alive doesn’t necessarily mean that the two are still connected. Just do note that when I state Dredgen Yor I am fully admitting he had already been turned, but he also wasn’t wielding the Darkness directly.

What fact are you referring to? That his victims didn’t prove or disprove his connection? I never mentioned them as evidence. His Ghost is the proof. Going Dark doesn’t sever the connection. His Ghost was sticking around to bring him [i]back[/i] to the Light and to bring him back from the dead. Here’s the card: https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/ghost-fragment-thorn-3?highlight=Dredgen+Yor From how his Ghost spoke, sounds like he was using Dark power directly. Then the there is the fact that as far as we know Dredgens have their Ghost. Despite walking a grey path to use Dark powers. Aunor mentioned wanting to get Ghost cages to stop them. Callum and Drifter are confirmed. Drifters crew is confirmed. Shin isn’t, far as I recall. So if the Shadows can use Light and Dark while maintaining their Ghosts? I would think we would need to see something confirming otherwise since there is established precedent.

The D2 Lumina quest also shows us that the copycat Thorns are nowhere near the corrupted state of the original Thorn. I brought up his victims for one simple reason. Thorn drained them of all their Light yet their Ghosts remained connected on some level. The problem with using Yor as an example of a Dark Guardian though, to throw this entire topic aside, is that he really wasn’t wielding any Darkness abilities. He was being fed upon by an almost parasitic Weapon of Sorrow that seemed to be almost an extension of Yor himself, almost like another limb. Yor wasn’t wielding the Dark, it was wielding him.

I’m not aware any of his victims lived. Who did? That’s a cop out. You are used by the Darkness but not using it? That’s like saying we are used by the Light but not using it. “ Yor wasn't faster than Jaren. And Jaren didn't miss. [b][i]Yor was just more than Jaren. Yor was other.[/i][/b] It took fire to burn him down, and Jaren, for all his gifts, was lacking in fire. “ Yor being more then a Guardian “[b][i]We are guided by the evolved and controlled methods of Dredgen Yor, except instead of death and destruction, I am offering the mysteries and powers of the Darkness as bait [/i][/b]for those who would otherwise go freely into the abyss.” Shin saying Yor had powers of the Darkness but only killed with it. “ [u.1:3.8] If only the change was simply one of perspective. Your “evolution” was no choice. This is not you having come to an understanding after careful considered thought. This is corruption. [u.2:3.9] The shadows? [u.1:3.9] The Darkness. ..... [u.2:4.5] It doesn’t matter. This is where we part ways. [u.1:4.5] I will not leave you. [u.2:4.6] I am leaving you. [u.1:4.6] Without me, your journey ahead will be more than any one Guardian can handle. [u.2:4.7] That’s the point. It’s been sometime since you saw me as worthy of walking among those I once called brother and sister. Yet... anymore, I feel as though I am worthy of so much more. [u.1:4.7] Without me... You will die.” Yors Ghost, confirms not only connection but revival still being possible. The books and grimiore cards show Yor was consumed by Darkness. His Ghost not leaving because Yor would die, shows he was still connected to the Ghost and Light. You can’t be [i]revived[/i] otherwise. So Dredgen Yor was a Dark Guardian.

Show me the excerpt where Yor uses a Darkness subclass. Show me the excerpt where Yor uses a subclass. You can’t because it doesn’t exist. All we know of Dredgen Yor is that he cast away his old identity. You could argue not using the Light would be a part of that given that he was actually a Titan and not a Hunter as he appeared. Unfortunately here’s the basic facts of the tale. Yor was not given any special power by the Darkness. That Wizard did not bestow Hive magic to him. The man took bones and grafted them to his gun, bones that altered his gun into a Weapon of Sorrow and began affecting his mind. Yor was special because of the parasitic link he had with Thorn. If you want to argue with that, show me where Yor killed a Guardian by draining his Light through some Darkness ability and not just shooting them with Thorn. We also don’t know if Yor’s corruption worsened after his initial turn.

Show me where it states Yor only gets his Darkness from a “parasitic link” with Thorn. Then explain how that link works. Because, correct me if I’m wrong, Shin explicitly stated that Yor was [i]physically[/i] empowered by the Darkness, which is why Jaren couldn’t stop him despite firing first. That should of been a clue for you. Also you do know Hive magic is Dark power right? Then show me your sources. Do I need to remind you that in D1 was there no Darkness subclass being ever mentioned?? Soo yeah there is that. You must of forgot that wasn’t a thing in D1. Then show me where anyone has their subclass listed in the lore. That’s right, they don’t do that. Guess that means your question is no good. I never said he used Darkness to kill anyone. I said he had Dark power. Maybe you missed it where Shin said the Dredgens could offer the power of the Darkness. Then there is the fact he resisted the corruption. Which could impede developing abilities. You can use what you reject Which is backed up by what Shin Malphur said about him. You want to play this game, fine. I’ll hold you to the same standard you want to hold me to. Show me the sources. It takes more then bones to craft a weapon of sorrow and they haven’t corrupted any Guardian like Yor was. So that doesn’t hold up. Especially since we’ve had a weapon of sorrow for years now. Try again.

About the Subclass thing •Eris is a bladedancer •Ikora is a known (and skilled) Voidwalker •Timur was an early Stormcaller •Zavala uses both striker and sentinel •Ana uses golden gun ( and blade barrage, so a gunslinger) •Osiris was a Sunsinger (now Dawnblade) •Saint-14 was an established Sentinel •Raiju's Harness has a Hunter becoming an Arcstrider thanks to the storm I am aware some of these were established as supers, but those are part of the subclasses. To an extent, everyone has a subclass, only the truly skilled have all 3