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6/14/2020 6:46:40 AM
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Power creep in Destiny is and has been a lie since they came up with it before shadowkeep launch
It is the lie that streamers promote in their videos. the lie that mindless sheep that can’t think for themselves believe.
The lie bungie tell so you’ll be more inclined to accept needless nerfs
And it works, they nerf stuff that didn’t need it and everybody just accepts it because “it’s good for the game”
If bungie had any real talent left this wouldn’t be a thing
If streamers weren’t so desperate to keep making videos to grab money from their fan bases it wouldn’t be a thing
If the mindless sheep that believe the lie could actually figure out how much of a lie it is it wouldn’t be a thing
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Powercreep exists and needs to exist, but not the kind you seem to worship as some be-all-end-all scapegoat for the "sheeple" you mindless git. The powercreep that everyone hates is Strength-Based Powercreep where things get progressively stronger and stronger while everything falls to the wayside even if it's supposed to be of equal viability. No SMG compares to Recluse. If you wanted to add new SMGs to actually compete it would have to be defacto better which would totally bunk the balancing. Bungie is adding Expiration-Based Powercreep, something widely implemented in most RPGs to date, to keep this in check. Future SMGs no longer need to be better than Recluse. Recluse will be simply be less viable. Thus making other choices more viable without them being innately better. Get how that works? So no, you're an idiot who doesn't know what they're talking about and the fact you have 26 upvotes means that the forums are a circlejerk.
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Streamers are just sucking so hard at Bungies teet these days. They have no credibility and Im surprised the community hasnt turned harder on them at this point. If you have any common sense st all you can see theyre not on the players' side ever.
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[quote]If bungie had any real talent left this wouldn’t be a thing If streamers weren’t so desperate to keep making videos to grab money from their fan bases it wouldn’t be a thing If the mindless sheep that believe the lie could actually figure out how much of a lie it is it wouldn’t be a thing[/quote] OOF 😓 that’s a truth that hurts.
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You sound like a flat-earther saying space flight is a lie XD Power creep is a thing. Remember Reckoning? They literally had to resort to pushing guardians off a bridge to add challenge because we were so powerful that we could steamroll anything within a week of it coming out. They can’t just keep raising our power because then the time to kill is so short that it takes away from the game. I don’t see how you think that isn’t a possibility in Destiny.
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I do remember Reckoning. But apparently you don't remember what happened next. Bungie gave us access to infinite ability spam, which meant everything died instantly and we always had 2x overshield and were basically unkillable. But then they nerfed all that. Lunafaction, Orpheus, super energy gained from orbs. We aren't anywhere even close to how we were during Reckoning, and no weapon they introduce will ever take us back there. We won't get into a Reckoning situation if Bungie does theur job right. Power creep COULD be a thing, but Reckoning was not so much creep as it was Bungie blatantly buffing exotics we already had -- which was a mistake by them. Now theyre sunsetting both gear and content, which is a big issue. All the places I would have been able to use the gear that I want to use going forward will slowly disappear. Show me one example of power creep in Destiny that was caused by weapons and wasn't solved by Bungie nerfing those specific weapons.
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[quote]You sound like a flat-earther saying space flight is a lie XD Power creep is a thing. Remember Reckoning? They literally had to resort to pushing guardians off a bridge to add challenge because we were so powerful that we could steamroll anything within a week of it coming out. They can’t just keep raising our power because then the time to kill is so short that it takes away from the game. I don’t see how you think that isn’t a possibility in Destiny.[/quote] Imagine not raising our power anymore and actually retaining players with more quality content instead. They're the one that chooses to keep increasing the power every season to mask their inability to produce engaging content.
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You know power creep doesn't refer to our actual power level right?
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I agree with what you’re saying. But life is a delicate thing, Guardian. Hope... faith... love... in an instant, they're gone. Everything you've sworn to protect is lost. And all you're left with is silence and shadow... and the knowledge that you should've done more. Could we have defeated Ghaul if the Traveler had not awakened? And what of the next threat? Or the next? What then? The Traveler is awake, and the Age of Legends is upon us. In the shadow of the Light, our universe is a beautiful, terrible place. Where I once saw miracles, now I see monsters. Someone has to. We have to. That's what a Guardian does.
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So you’re in group 3 right
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You know they wouldnt have to do this if people didnt get so pissy about nerfs.
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I agree with what you’re saying. But life is a delicate thing, Guardian. Hope... faith... love... in an instant, they're gone. Everything you've sworn to protect is lost. And all you're left with is silence and shadow... and the knowledge that you should've done more. Could we have defeated Ghaul if the Traveler had not awakened? And what of the next threat? Or the next? What then? The Traveler is awake, and the Age of Legends is upon us. In the shadow of the Light, our universe is a beautiful, terrible place. Where I once saw miracles, now I see monsters. Someone has to. We have to. That's what a Guardian does.
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Editado por Ken_Malibu: 6/14/2020 7:44:23 AM3 man/ 2 man Argos used to be a challenge, then with well, Lunafactions and Wow it became really easy. That's my direct experience of power creep, nothing to do with a streamers opinion. I completed a very tough challenge but next season any old idiot can do it. When you have clans build on certain raid challenge completions for entry then yeah, power creep can be a real thing to deal with. Please note, none of this really explains why standard regular weapons and armour are being sunset.
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They knew WOW was busted. They took it out of D1. Brought it back still broken and nerfed it twice. Why ? So they could bait playtime. They will nerf Felwinters because shot package is.... ding ding ding still busted. That’s why power creep is bullshit. They create it.
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[quote]3 man/ 2 man Argos used to be a challenge, then with well, Lunafactions and Wow it became really easy. That's my direct experience of power creep, nothing to do with a streamers opinion. I completed a very tough challenge but next season any old idiot can do it. When you have clans build on certain raid challenge completions for entry then yeah, power creep can be a real thing to deal with. Please note, none of this really explains why standard regular weapons and armour are being sunset.[/quote] If you believe a one time buff to an exotic that removed reloading so you could spit all your heavy and melt bosses is power creep you ha e no idea what the term is. I suggest a Google search. Power creep is gear becoming better and better as time goes on - which clearly has never happened in destiny where players run Y1 and Y2 gear just as often as Y3 - were power creep to be a thing Y3 gear would be the only items used.
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You clearly have no understanding of what is included under the umbrella of power Creep, I suggest you use your brain to actually interpret your google search afterwards and maybe you’ll understand the full extent of it.
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Here dumbass power creep (uncountable) (collectible games, video games, role-playing games) The situation where updates to a game introduce more powerful units or abilities, leaving the older ones underpowered. Updates have not been introducing more powerful units and the older ones are CLEARLY not underpowered or theyd see no use - which one of the issues bungie listed was they were seeing TOO MUCH use. It pays to have a clue what you're talking about, maybe next time you will.
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What you’re saying is what Bungie is working with. •They have old gear that dominates the game still, and that means new loot is pointless (or at least far less appealing). •To combat this, they have to make new gear that is more appealing, which means it has to be better than old gear. •But if they just make new gear progressively better, only building our power up indefinitely, then we start getting to a point where our gear is [i]too[/i] good. That is power creep, and that is what Bungie is trying to avoid. If it hasn’t been an issue in Destiny already, then Bungie is just trying to prevent it. Rather than take what would seem to be the “easy way” of just making other guns better, they want to make old guns temporarily irrelevant in endgame content where power matters so the newer guns get a chance to shine and be appealing. They don’t want people ignoring future weapons just because what they got last year is so good. So you say power creep can’t exist in Destiny because people still use Y1 and Y2 weapons, but that is an issue Bungie wants to fix, but the most obvious fix to it brings on the risk of power creep, so they have to sunset weapons to prevent that from happening.
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[quote]What you’re saying is what Bungie is working with. •They have old gear that dominates the game still, and that means new loot is pointless (or at least far less appealing). •To combat this, they have to make new gear that is more appealing, which means it has to be better than old gear. •But if they just make new gear progressively better, only building our power up indefinitely, then we start getting to a point where our gear is [i]too[/i] good. That is power creep, and that is what Bungie is trying to avoid. If it hasn’t been an issue in Destiny already, then Bungie is just trying to prevent it. Rather than take what would seem to be the “easy way” of just making other guns better, they want to make old guns temporarily irrelevant in endgame content where power matters so the newer guns get a chance to shine and be appealing. They don’t want people ignoring future weapons just because what they got last year is so good. So you say power creep can’t exist in Destiny because people still use Y1 and Y2 weapons, but that is an issue Bungie wants to fix, but the most obvious fix to it brings on the risk of power creep, so they have to sunset weapons to prevent that from happening.[/quote] Except all they need to do is keep making new gear solid - when that happens and it's on par with older stuff it gets used massively - worthys astral horizon, eye of sol, summoner, dire promise and seven seraph shotty are all proof of this. No one asked for better and better gear - all they had to do was keep making new gear be part of solid archtypes and have good perk pools and both new and old gear would be used and viable all chosen by players individual preference
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Good post 👍
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Yeah, the sheeple don't understand this lol.
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I was saying power creep as in the game becomes easier due to gear being more powerful than it used to be. So you get players being able to complete challenges where they couldn't before only down to the more powerful gear now available. I did note that I am talking about outliers like class supers combined with 2 specific exotics and that my example doesn't help explain why a favourite Pulse Rifle being sunset has anything at all to do with power creep.
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Editado por Soular_Sage: 6/15/2020 11:32:41 AMLet's get this out of the way. Power creep is necessary to keep players interested in an on-going game. In any game, you naturally grow more powerful as you progress through contet, eventually reaching a ceiling.. Typically, enemies also follow suit by growing in power. A perfect example would be the power spike that occurred with Forsaken weapons. However, developers sometimes crank the power gain dial too high and release weapons that, in the short term, give an immediately and significant power boost. Enter Recluse, Mountaintop, Beloved, and Revoker.. just to name a few. These weapons were unhealthy, not solely because they are powerful, but because they drowned out other gameplay options [i]AND[/i] enemies weren't given any new mechanics to keep up. Bungie colossally messed up in the fundamental design of those weapons. A reasonable person would go and tune down the major outliers instead of removing all options. The point is, [b]it's on Bungie[/b] to get creative in creating alternative gameplay loops and options for players. Releasing weapons that are better than anything in their class is a problem, especially considering the number of pathetically weak archetypes out there.
