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4/28/2020 10:58:57 PM
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Any difficult activity that wouldn’t work with matchmaking would only have people whining for a difficulty nerf when they fail with a matchmade team.
So far this week the GrandMaster ordeal has had 612 people complete it(as of me making this). A matchmade team would fail 99.99% of the time.
Garden of Salvation has a 21% success rate as it is now. That would drop well below 1% with matchmaking.
If something is obvious to not work, there’s no point in adding it.
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The success percentage would go down, the completion and attempt numbers would rise. It would be optional, for one thing, and people like yourself would still be able to LFG for a carry 😉
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[quote]The success percentage would go down, the completion and attempt numbers would rise. It would be optional, for one thing, and people like yourself would still be able to LFG for a carry 😉[/quote] The completion numbers would go down if anything. People would then realize that matchmaking doesn’t work and it would be ignored. You would have people come to the forums to complain about their failed raid runs. If something is obvious to fail, there’s no point in adding it. There’s no actual reason anyone who wants to raid can’t use lfg.
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Editado por Vertillian: 5/5/2020 3:58:18 PMNo. You really don't understand how numbers work. The precious little elitist would still LFG and stack their raid groups, so completions would remain the same. Then you simply add the numbers of people who are actually willing and able to make matchmaking work. It. Would. Be. Optional
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[quote]No. You really don't understand how numbers work. The precious little elitist would still LFG abd stack their raid groups, so completions would remain the same. Then you simply add the numbers of people who are actually willing and able to make matchmaking work. It. Would. Be. Optional[/quote] You’re not an elitist for using lfg. Matchmaking wouldn’t work. Less than 1/100 teams would complete it. It’s obvious that it wouldn’t work, so there’s no point in adding it. Anyone who actually wants to raid can use lfg.
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[quote][quote]No. You really don't understand how numbers work. The precious little elitist would still LFG abd stack their raid groups, so completions would remain the same. Then you simply add the numbers of people who are actually willing and able to make matchmaking work. It. Would. Be. Optional[/quote] You’re not an elitist for using lfg. Matchmaking wouldn’t work. Less than 1/100 teams would complete it. It’s obvious that it wouldn’t work, so there’s no point in adding it. Anyone who actually wants to raid can use lfg.[/quote] I never said it makes you elitist to [i]use[/i] LFG, but I get that it went completely over your head. You really, just don't get the point. It is quite humorous tbh. There is no point discussing this with you, as you are obviously going to stick to your one dimensional, repetitive rhetoric. Oh well.
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[quote] I never said it makes you elitist to [i]use[/i] LFG, but I get that it went completely over your head. You really, just don't get the point. It is quite humorous tbh. There is no point discussing this with you, as you are obviously going to stick to your one dimensional, repetitive rhetoric. Oh well.[/quote] It’s clear that raids wouldn’t work with matchmaking. Thats the only point that matters.
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LFG is basically matchmaking in some cases, by very definition it has [i]already[/i] worked. Oh, and that is obviously the only point that matters to [i]you[/i]. Some of us are capable of further thought. Sad that you are so obviously not capable of more
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[quote]LFG is basically matchmaking in some cases, by very definition it has [i]already[/i] worked.[/quote] It’s not matchmaking. If it was, it wouldn’t work. [quote]Oh, and that is obviously the only point that matters to [i]you[/i]. Some of us are capable of further thought. Sad that you are so obviously not capable of more[/quote] It’s the only point that matters in this discussion. What point is there in adding matchmaking when it clearly wouldn’t work.
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Yawn. Deary me your name is accurate. LFG allows you to [i]match[/i] with people who want to do the same content as you. It is no guarantee of success or compatibility. Matchmaking would work for some people. You can keep LFG'ìng a carry 😀
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[quote]Yawn. Deary me your name is accurate. LFG allows you to [i]match[/i] with people who want to do the same content as you. It is no guarantee of success or compatibility. Matchmaking would work for some people. You can keep LFG'ìng a carry 😀[/quote] LFG isn’t matchmaking. You can interpret it as matchmaking if you want, but that doesn’t make it the matchmaking that the OP Is asking for. Sorry, but matching wouldn’t work in raids. Bungie has said that before when they explained why raids will [i]never[/i] have matchmaking.
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Actually, they used the excuse that gamers (including their own community), are too toxic 😉 My point is that LFG doesn't have a perfect result either. In fact I would say it has quite a high fail rate. So therefore according to your logic, it should be stopped.
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Editado por Bore: 5/5/2020 5:14:04 PM[quote]Actually, they used the excuse that gamers (including their own community), are too toxic 😉 My point is that LFG doesn't have a perfect result either. In fact I would say it has quite a high fail rate. So therefore according to your logic, it should be stopped.[/quote] Nothings perfect, but matchmaking wouldn’t work. Lfg does. Please link and quote them saying raids won’t get matchmaking because of toxicity. I can link you them saying they aren’t compatible.
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Editado por Vertillian: 5/5/2020 5:15:47 PMI already have elsewhere in this thread. Go look. Matchmaking would work in some cases.
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[quote] Matchmaking would work in some cases.[/quote] Less than 1/100 cases. Matchmaking would do nothing but put players off from doing raids.
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As opposed to having to LFG.... which means quite a few people have never even attempted to engage with that content....
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[quote]I already have elsewhere in this thread. Go look.[/quote] Link it here.
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You mean like how people whine on the forums 24/7? You mean like how many of us have been asking for full match making for close to 6 F%#&ing Years and how bungie has ignored us? They are going to nerf raids? Really??? Really? ok
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[quote]You mean like how people whine on the forums 24/7? You mean like how many of us have been asking for full match making for close to 6 F%#&ing Years and how bungie has ignored us? They are going to nerf raids? Really??? Really? ok[/quote] They nerfed reckoning because it was too difficult for matchmade teams who weren’t communicating Loadouts. Matchmaking wouldn’t work, so there’s no point in adding it.
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Actually they nerfed reckoning because it was poorly thought out and designed
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[quote]Actually they nerfed reckoning because it was poorly thought out and designed[/quote] Poorly designed for matchmaking. They said it themselves. They designed reckoning in a way that made it too hard for a matchmade team to consistently complete. Raids are also too hard for a matchmade team to regularly complete if at all.
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They say a lot of things, most of them aren't accurate. With Bungie, you have to actually look beyond the BS, and actually use your common sense and reasoning ability to find the [i]actual[/i] reasons
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Editado por Bore: 5/5/2020 4:00:54 PM[quote]They say a lot of things, most of them aren't accurate. With Bungie, you have to actually look beyond the BS, and actually use your common sense and reasoning ability to find the [i]actual[/i] reasons[/quote] The reason was because players had made it obvious that it was too hard. Unless you matchmade with someone running the right loadout, you would fail. So they fixed it to allow pretty much any loadout. Now matchmade teams can complete it consistently. That’s not how raids are nor how they should be.
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Again, that is an error in [i]design[/i], not in matchmaking.
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Editado por Bore: 5/5/2020 3:56:37 PM[quote]Again, that is an error in [i]design[/i], not in matchmaking.[/quote] Exactly, reckoning was designed very poorly for a matchmade activity. Raids were designed to not have matchmaking. For a raid to work with matchmaking, it would need to be completely changed.
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[quote][quote]Again, that is an error in [i]design[/i], not in matchmaking.[/quote] Exactly, reckoning was designed very poorly for a matchmade activity. Raids were designed to not have matchmaking. For a raid to work with matchmaking, it would need to be completely changed.[/quote] No, it wouldn't, and no, Reckoning was just a general failure of design. I have said my piece. You have said absolutely nothing to change that.
