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3/6/2020 12:01:28 AM
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Guys. (and Gals.)
They are going to phase out older weapons. This is going to happen. They're being very open about why it's going to happen. Their reasoning, even if you adamantly disagree with it, is logical.
You can't out-debate this. You can't beg. You can't threaten. You can't use alternate-rationale. You can't throw the "time investment" argument around. (all MMO's are time-sinks for loot that is eventually phased out, by nature of the beast.)
If this is game-breaking for you, that's your choice, respectfully. It will, in fact, not break Destiny 2. The mass exodus of angry gamers will not happen. Most of you, threatening to leave, will not leave. For like 90% of you, these are just empty threats by people who are afraid of change. (And hey, I get it. Change is scary sometimes.)
A rotating, ever-changing meta that feels organic and feels like progression instead of loot-hoarding sounds like a blast to me. But if it's not for you, I get it. But honestly, I'm sure when it gets implemented, I'll see most of ya still here, complaining about the next change that comes down the pipe.
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“Play the way you want”. Is what we’ve been told for awhile. Why should I ever grind for a god roll ever again? Took me 4+ months for a perfect Redrix. 3+ for Austringer. Never got spare rations once throughout Jokers Wild. When RNG for these kinds of weapon rolls exist (that DRASTICALLY change the gun) it is going to take awhile to get what you want. Only for it to be useless. Oh no! You find yourself only using a few guns? That’s your fault. People always experiment and grind for the new gear.
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PIN THIS! This is the answer to this topic.
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Editado por anansispider: 3/6/2020 9:58:16 PMDestiny needs much more engrossing a world, roleplaying experience, story and characters and a wide range of activities and player class focus rather than weapon grind focus. The whole game has to change if they want to phase out weapons. They just want to take one part of the MMORPG experience while leaving all the things that make the MMORPG loot system work and that the god rolls have been the goal for so long. You can't jeep invalidating old RNG grinds and keep players. I already regret playing this game this year. [i][b]Massively. [/b][/i] In destiny, the weapons are the game and gameplay. In FFXIV your weapons are bigger skill damage numbers and style.
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Editado por Alleviate_Fate: 3/6/2020 8:13:52 PMSee again here's the problem you keep comparing destiny to mmorpgs which destiny is very much not an mmo rpg l, yes those games have expendable loot because they have defined classes and stats gear and weapons are stats nothing more nothing less, these are replaced when a new season comes out with gasps better stats and a new design but your core skills with the exception of maybe 1 that is added largely remain the same i.e. your weapons in destiny are not stat sticks they dont give me 10 agility or 15 strength that helps define my roll. They give the ability to kill things like the skills in an mmo. So unless we adopt static rolls again with weapon shelf life and a skill system like an mmo this is doomed to fail like it did in destiny 1 and well be back to this oh well they tried argument on a year. Bungie's problem is an lazy ass development team that cant figure out what they want this game to be when it was on a good path. Create weapons with interesting perks that synergize well together i.e. perks that work just like the legendaries being used theres a reason for this and design the boss fights better and maybe just maybe you'll see weapon diversity. Sure some will still cling to the tried and true but that's ok that's the joy of their play your way promise.
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Dude. What do you think destiny 2 looks like under the surface. It looks like numbers, letters, dashes and symbols. It’s all code. We have defined classes, stats that affect gameplay, mechanics and the code and system have “rules” too. To a computer, destiny 2 and world of Warcraft are literally the same thing in a different sequence of numbers and letters. It’s all code. YOU add the emotional value. There is no “feel” to it to a computer. YOU experience the “feel”.
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If this was an mmo rpg we would have classes ie titan is a tank or dps warlock is a healer or dps and hunter is damage however healer and tank roles are not allocated or used. It would also have stat values on weapons and power creep in order to replace our gear in a progression system. Destiny has non of those things. Destiny is a fantasy shooter at best. Which is fine it defined it's own genre, but trying to be an mmo rpg is something it is not.
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I'll laugh my ass of if they go forward with the change and 90% of the community just nopes the -blam!- out like they did last time they made stupid changes nobody asked for. Nothing about weapon retirement is logical when it was something that nearly killed D1 in its first year. We've been down this road and they will -blam!- it up again like they do everytime and then reverse it when people get pissed and leave. They can't afford to -blam!- up the way they used to under Activision. Another mass exodus may actually kill this game.
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Homie, what are you even talking about? Do you honestly think 90% of Destiny 2's population ever up-and-left the game? You think weapon retirement almost killed D1 in it's first year? they didn't even start "Weapon retirement" until year 2 in Destiny 1. The Taken King retired weapons because, like now, there was a stagnant weapon meta. (aka, Thorn in crucible 24/7, gjallahorn in raid 24/7.) Do you just say things, like, just to say things?
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[quote]Homie, what are you even talking about? Do you honestly think 90% of Destiny 2's population ever up-and-left the game?[/quote]You're right it wasnt 90%. It was 95% during Y1 D2. We had people like you saying "you guys will never leave" and within 2 weeks the game was dead and stayed dead until warmind brought a fraction of the players back [quote]You think weapon retirement almost killed D1 in it's first year? they didn't even start "Weapon retirement" until year 2 in Destiny 1.[/quote]There was weapon retirement in the dark below which was so unpopular HoW gave us a system to bring the old stuff back up. [quote]The Taken King retired weapons because, like now, there was a stagnant weapon meta. (aka, Thorn in crucible 24/7, gjallahorn in raid 24/7.) [/quote] Right about gally wrong about thorn. Thorn would still have been used because most pvp isnt light level enabled - nerfs or buffs change pvp metas, not capping weapons - thorn stopped being used in Y2 because it got mutliple nerfs. As for gally you're right gally and black hammer were too strong for future pve content - so instead of nerfing those 2 or leaving those behind the braindead decision was made to kill everything. Just like today. And it failed then too - the complaints about useless Y1 head continued till Ave of triumph brought the old gear back - but naturally bungie wouldnt pass up an opportunity to further extend playtime and made players re-grind for them [quote]Do you just say things, like, just to say things?[/quote]Do you?
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Let’s see those statistics of that 95% population drop homie. I’ll wait.
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[quote]Let’s see those statistics of that 95% population drop homie. I’ll wait.[/quote] Look.up destiny tracker population numbers for 3 weeks after launch up till warmind. Realize we had 200K players while we started with 15,000,000 and calculate it yourself, then realize you're wrong and try to imagine d2 with even longer matchmaking times
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People didn't quit because it was D1, and we didn't know better. There were very long periods of no new content and we were desperate for new content. There is now a historical pattern that Bungie has laid out and people do not like it this time around. Fool me once kind of thing...
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pLaY yOuR WaY
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this guy gets it.
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So you’re telling me that phasing out old weapons and forcing players to farm the same exact gun is logical? [spoiler]Shut the -blam!- up.[/spoiler]
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Same exact gun? Dude you are running a service revolver and subtle calamity. I've probably collected 100 each of those in the past year. Was that like, a riveting experience for you that you're afraid to let go? I can already name weapons that are better than your kit. To think, the change might actually *help* you, lmfao.
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This goes against your point of retirement. If he is running around with non-meta guns, and having fun playing it the way he wants to then why forced retirement? You are basically saying he needs to play with the meta guns to "help him" then once he does you will complain that people need to switch things up and meta weapons need to be retired because all people are doing is playing with the same weapon load out and we need fresh new weapons to play with. Instead he is using weapons from his vault to change the play style and experience he gets by being non-meta.
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If you knew anything about weapon farming you would’ve kept one of those Service Revolvers. It might have actually helped you considering your KD is a joke lmao
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Well you been doing that already?? So what's the problem?.. now they're telling you?.. is that the problem?.
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So you’re okay with farming another weapon of the same exact archetype with the same exact perks for the same exact reason the old weapon is being phased out? [spoiler]Congratulations, you played yourself.[/spoiler]
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Lol we played ourselves because we Been doing that since vanilla?? Lol honestly it doesn't matter because the god roll for most weapons is literally the same so it didn't stop you or any of us to keep farming the same ish now has it?
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Editado por Haunter: 3/6/2020 10:49:13 PMIt's up to the individual player if they want to grind and use new gear or stick with the old. Theres nothing wrong with either.
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You're right and those options arn't changing either way going forward.
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Of course there is, a player cannot use thier favorite old gear in new content removing thier choice
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See that's where you're wrong.. you STILL can.. see there you go over exaggerating. You're choice is still there. Just like it is now.. go ahead and use d2 y1 weapons in ordeal or GOS .. nothing stopping you from putting yourself at a disadvantage instead of using izanagi. That option won't change later either.
