[i]As a pvp player do I have permission to be offended now?[/i] But seriously, check the charlemange activity tracker: https://warmind.io/activity Around 25-30% of total playerbase are in crucible/banner currently, with half of that NOT in banner. From memory on non-banner weeks crucible's between 14-20% on average. For comparison raids are around 4-6% Claiming pvp players are a non-existent minority's just false. We need to get over this fact. Couple other thoughts: - Separate pvp / pve balancing should absolutely be a thing. - All pvp related tweaks in this weeks TWAB were on point at least on paper that address real balance issues. This is of course only my personal opinion that I'm ready to discuss and reason. Will have to see fusion + shotgun ranges post-fact to form accurate opinion on those though. - A lot of the pvp tweaks in the TWAB now have been accurately brought up by YT content creators as problem points in the past months. Of course monetary self-interest because content creation = revenue is a consideration when assessing their opinions. However it's also good to remember that those channels are often people with [i]a lot[/i] of experience in the game, and through that they know what works, what doesn't and why. Personally I feel it's a waste to use the former as a blanket reason to ignore all of the latter. Happens a lot on this forum. - Not a pve person myself, but isn't Izanagi currently holding around consistent double or more the usage ratings compared to other specials in endgame pve-content? Isn't that a real problem? Though the blanket sniper nerf I disagree with.

What free advertising? Destiny ads only go so far as to advertise to it's own community. This game has virtually no media presence.

1) They can't seperate PvP and PvE unfortunately 2) Listening to the odd casual who dips into the game 2/7 days isn't going to give them worthwhile feedback. OP Stuff is what made the game boring tbh.

Don’t know if you’ve read much of the forums the past year but the things those youtubers talk about is things a majority of the community has complained about for a long time... and they aren’t going to quit, so the “don’t like it, then quit” doesn’t work here. People love this game and want it to succeed. With trials coming soon, the game needs much more balancing since trials is the top level of competitive gameplay in the crucible. Sure, everyone can use broken weapons if they are tired of getting their asses kicked by erentil/mindbenders/snipers, but not everyone likes to play that way and that’s why the crucible has lost nearly 75% of its player base since the launch of shadowkeep. Idk about you but Most people and myself would like a little more variety of players to face than sweaty meta -blam!-.

This is true in a sense. I haven’t even really used izanagi’s or snipers in PvE because I didn’t know they were “OP.” Guess I’ll go use them before they get nerfed.