To each their own I guess. I am [b]NOT[/b] speaking for anyone but myself, if others feel the same way, then so be it. Any people who think that VoG & Crota raids are now lame as F*ck... you all ran the sh*t out of them back then. Don’t even try saying you didn’t either. As for the current day raids, I think it’s great that you all got overly mechanized raids. But what about those of us who do not enjoy the “pushing it to the limits” on the overboard saturated mechanics, and perfect precise execution needed... Sure you and the rest of the sweaties may enjoy it, maybe even find it “challenging”, and I’m glad you find them to your liking. But, there will be those whom do not find them fun to run, just because the “new meta” in Destiny raids is “mechanics” and ”perfection”... over fun. No thank you, I’m not up to dealing with the likes of the mass majority of Destiny players whom [b]DEMAND[/b] perfection form every player, every step of the raid, and kick you as soon as you mess up. Nope, no thank you... playing with people who have that attitude just flat out [b]SUCKS[/b], and it’s those type of self centered, greedy, narcissistic people that are ruining the “comradery” and “friendliness” in this game!