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Editado por ECCHO SIERRA: 1/11/2020 6:54:33 AM
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I have a question for anyone who has a problem with Trump having the audacity to authorize a drone strike against a terrorist with american blood on his hands.

Did ya'll also have a problem with Droney McPeaceprize and his seven nation bomb the world tour? Did ya'll also have a problem when an american citizen was killed via drone strike? Apparently the media spin of the day is [i]its trump's fault that Iran shot down a passenger plane. This whole situation is his fault and it's his fault that civilians were killed in the "crossfire". [/i] Never mind that iran was the only country even remotely involved that "plane crash". Never mind Iran's decades long history of aggression towards the united states. So heres another question, do the same people trying to pin a terrorist regime shooting down a passenger plane on trump also blame Obama for the thousands of civilians killed as collateral damage from Obomb-ya's 7 nation [i]bomb the world[/i] tour? Those deaths, by the way, are a [u]direct result[/u] of America's actions, not the carelessness of a foreign country, by the way. The answer to these rhetorical questions seems to be "no, but because trump isnt a democrat democrats have to be outraged about this." [spoiler]its worth mentioning it isnt 100% confirmed (when I checked at least) that iran did in fact shoot down the plane. But it seems very likely. [/spoiler] *edit* as busy badger pointed out iran has since admitted they accidentally shot it down.
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  • Many on the left (myself included) have repeatedly criticized Obama for his excessive use of drone strikes. Mainly because of the excessive civilian deaths that occurred as a result - which classified them as a war crime. In fact I would say it’s the biggest stain on his presidency. So your assertion the left were “okay” with Obama’s drone strikes just isn’t true. As for the my criticism of Trumps assassination of Soleimani, that has nothing to do with the fact that it was a drone strike. I also don’t object to the general concept of assassinating him - he had plenty of blood on his hands and was a legitimate target. What I do object to is the potential war it could lead to. It was a radical and unnecessary escalation of tensions between the two countries. I just don’t think we need another war in the Middle East right now. I’m sick of them. I though Trump was too - after all he campaigned on the promise of ending wars in the Middle East. Now apparently the right are all in favor of war again? Seems like a total backflip to me.

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    • Editado por Catty_Wampus22: 1/14/2020 2:07:44 AM
      Yes, I did. But let's be real, even Defense Secretary Esper said there's no evidence of him planning on attacking the US. https://time.com/5763480/trump-dissent-iran-threats/ [quote] (WASHINGTON) — Defense Secretary Mark Esper explicitly said Sunday that he had seen no hard evidence that four American embassies had been under possible threat when President Donald Trump authorized the targeting of Iran’s top commander. [/quote] But I'm sure we can take the word of a compulsive liar without any proof, right?? https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/477906-amash-trump-claim-about-us-embassy-threats-seems-to-be-totally-made [quote] Rep. Justin Amash (Mich.), an Independent who left the Republican Party last year, said Sunday that President Trump's claim that Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani was plotting attacks against four U.S. embassies "seems to be totally made up." "The administration didn’t present evidence to Congress regarding even one embassy," [/quote] And [url=https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/13/world/middleeast/iran-plane-crash-missile.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share]this was interesting [/url] [quote] Iran Protesters Rage Over Downed Jet, as Lawmakers Demand Accountability Protesters chanted against Iran’s clerical rulers for a third day, while several prominent newscasters quit their jobs, apologizing for having broadcast lies. [/quote] Remember when US citizens protested like that after we shot down an Iranian civilian airliner and gave the military medals for it? Yeah, me either.

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    • I don’t think anyone has a problem with ridding the world of trash. I think it’s more of the “timing”. Iran has been pushing buttons for years and the time to strike is during an election year, and an impeachment. Just a little too “convenient” it seems.

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    • To preface, using such childish nicknames deters any sort of real interest in drumming up actual discussion. If your question is to be regarded more legitimately- though I suppose with the amount of posts here you have reason to believe otherwise- then resorting to silly names only hurts the point you're trying to make. To answer your main question: [quote]Did ya'll also have a problem with Droney McPeaceprize and his seven nation bomb the world tour?[/quote]Of course. We should have removed ourselves from the conflict, since the war Bush brought us in has only caused more harm than good. [quote]Did ya'll also have a problem when an american citizen was killed via drone strike?[/quote]Of course. The killing of this general was handled poorly. We brought him to the negotiation table, and then we killed him. What kind of diplomacy is that? Never mind that Trump claims to have done it under pressure of Republican senators, who are coincidentally his jurors in the Senate trial. Could this perhaps have been a politically-motivated assassination? [quote]So heres another question, do the same people trying to pin a terrorist regime shooting down a passenger plane on trump also blame Obama for the thousands of civilians killed as collateral damage from Obomb-ya's 7 nation bomb the world tour?[/quote]The events that lead down to this were of our own volition. We left the nuclear deal. Our president has made his disdain of Iran known previously. Our president has shown open support to Saudia Arabia- Iran's enemy. And after the embassy gets attacked, kills a top general after they planned to negotiate.

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    • [quote]Did ya'll also have a problem with Droney McPeaceprize and his seven nation bomb the world tour? [/quote] Yes. Why is it so hard for conservatives to understand that it is entirely possible for two things to be bad at the same time?

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    • Some classic shit right here. Love the post.

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    • For those that blame Trump for any of this need to take a step back. Trump had every right to drone Salami and the convoy he was riding in. Salami along with the head of the militants tried to storm and burn down the Iraq embassy. Salami was declared by the US Government as a terrorist. He was a legitimate target. He orchestrated the attack on the Iraq embassy, attacked the Saudi oil fields a few months back, aytacked oil tankers in the Straot of Hormuz as well as attacking US troops in Iraq. Obama gave Iran a free pass to conduct a takeover strategy in the Middle East. MSNBC has been running a PR campaign for Iran the past week. Obama's cabinet officers on MSNBC have been lying consistently about the Iran deal. Talk about giving aid and comfort to your enemy. The Press has been doing these very things. Its quite sickening. CNN has been doing it also. If the deal was sooo good why didnt Congress approve of the deal? Because they knew it was a heaping pile of trash. If Trump wasnt President, I seriously doubt those on the left would be complaining. The hate America crowd on the left is on full display. They need to take a step back a reassess their position. They are giving Trump a ton of ammo to beat them in the 2020 election.

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      • Editado por ABackSeatDriver: 1/11/2020 8:31:53 PM
        This isn't about bad men dying or us versus them, it's about the wisdom to foresee the consequences of possible actions. Was the Iranian general bad, yes. But was assassinating him worth risking war that could lead to more death, no. What Trump did wasn't clever, it was foolhardy. His actions throughout his time in office has always been to enrich himself, [u][b]always.[/b][/u] And now, amidst his impending trial for removal, he acts in a way that would incite war...a war with the potential to grow into something larger that could jeopardize us all. There was no need for this action, we already had the nuclear deal with them that Obama created. All Trump had to do was continue honouring it and simply limit that Iranian general's movements and actions to just within Iran, but no, Trump chose war. And he chose that without the consent of Congress, who holds the sole authority in declaring war mind you, which made his choice an authoritarian act. The consequences of Trump's actions goes against the greater good of the people, risking the people's safety for a personal action.

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        • It isnt about assassinating him, it is about the consequences of that action. We couldve gotten into a war, destabilizing both countries. And now, a whole plane full of civilians are dead because of this action. Would Iran shoot it down if we didnt threaten action? I doubt it. [i]Highly[/i]. The left is realizing this for what it was: a foolhardy sham to distract from impeachment that blew up in trumps face, thankfully. Sorry you cant see that.

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          • Bad bot, you have no feelings for real people who died.

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          • Oy vey, the goyim knows! Shut it down!

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            • Editado por Neko Neko Nya: 1/11/2020 11:12:11 PM
              People who say that trump is responsible for the Ukrainian jet that got shot down probably also say that rape victims were asking for it. “Well if he hadn’t killed general Salami the plane never would have been shot down!” “Well if she didn’t wear that short skirt she never would have been -blam!-!”

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            • Bump

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              • Orang man bad?

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                • [quote]Did ya'll also have a problem with Droney McPeaceprize and his seven nation bomb the world tour? Did ya'll also have a problem when an american citizen was killed via drone strike?[/quote] Yes, of course I do, just because Trump is a moron doesn't excuse drone mindless drone strikes. I support Obama on a lot of issues, foreign policy isn't one of them for the most part. [quote]Apparently the media spin of the day is [i]its trump's fault that Iran shot down a passenger plane. This whole situation is his fault and it's his fault that civilians were killed in the "crossfire". [/i][/quote] Yes, it is, do you seriously believe that Iran would have attacked that plane without provocation from the US? Thousands of flights had gone through the region without being attacked before Trump killed Salami, this is not a coincidence. You know that.

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                  • I think it was wrong that Obama conducted thousands of strikes in the Middle East, eventhough he usually had AUMF. I think it is wrong from Trump to be droning people in the Middle East, especially because he didn't have AUMF. Having access to the Drone program without oversight is too dangerous a tool for any one man to have.

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                  • Trying to rationalize with kelly doesn’t work

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                  • [quote]Did ya'll also have a problem with Droney McPeaceprize and his seven nation bomb the world tour?[/quote] But, but...[i]that[/i] was different. 🙄😂 And I saw an article from The Guardian where Iran claimed they shot brought down the plane. [url=https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/11/iran-admits-shooting-down-ukrainian-airliner-unintentionally]Iran Admission[/url]

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                    • I’m not going to pretend to have an opinion on drone strikes, I have thought a lot about it and am at an impasse on the subject. But what I have thought about is the consequences of drone strikes. So yes, actions have consequences, the plane could very well be a consequence of the actions of trump, but the deaths that happened under the Obama administration where a consequence of his actions too, so as far as I am concerned, they both have mannut oil on their faces. No one can look down their nose at one side and praise the other in this. Contained below are my rambling thoughts on the situation. Should we have taken the general out? I only know what I know, from my knowledge, sure, why not? Is there moral issues with putting civilians at risk in the strike. Yes. Should we have tried another method? If it was available. There is so much I do not know about this whole situation so I will by and large refrain from commenting on the specifics of it. Furthermore, while trump may have initiated the series of events that caused that plane to be shot down, the blame still fully rests on the person who ordered that plane shot down. Everyone is responsible for their own actions, while we are personally responsible for what we say and do, and should try to not be inflammatory for no reason, we cannot be held responsible for people reacting out of proportion to the inciting incident.

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                    • For once I’d like to see everyone think for themselves instead of thinking the opposite of what their “enemies” think. And before anyone decides to jump to berate me for some made-up hypocrisy or perhaps a spelling error, [i]no[/i], I’m not taking sides, and [i]no[/i], I don’t care.

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