No, you argued vertical gameplay was a reliable counter and then say vertical gameplay is expected. Meaning that is not a counter. You destroyed your own arguement. Bouncing around a door does nothing when all a an erentil needs to see is a pixel of your body to hit all thier bolts. They will just wait till you need to drop down. ... Or you know, wait till thier teammate flanks your arse.

I didn't say going vertical was a reliable counter for everything. I said it's expected. You were acting like jumping and shooting at people is brand new to the destiny franchise. Constantly jumping around in the air only works well against bots. It depends how you are using it. If you are jumping into every gunfight that's dumb. If you are baiting an erintel over a doorway that's smart. They can't exactly sprint and charge an erintel at the same time therefore they either have to walk through the doorway while charging the shot find you in air and shoot you which results in them being a pretty easy kill or they have to slide through the doorway then charge the erintel up which also results in a pretty easy kill. It all depends how you are using your vertical space. Like I said before you gotta think a bit 😊 Wait until you drop down? I guess on PC you can't jump in the air and move 😂🤣🤣 I guess you are just stuck in one spot huh? You also must not have a radar to watch for flanks either 😂🤣😂 again... you gotta use your head a bit.. I guess you lack the capacity to think while playing PvP. Me see red.. me jump at red with shotgun... me die... me die to erintel.. nerf erintel 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣 It's honestly starting to just seem like 1) you can't think and play. 2) you don't want to have to adapt your playstyle at all but would rather have everything nerfed so you don't have to change your one way of playing.

So in the end you have still to yet make a solid arguement. Its once again a 'situational counter' to where now you are suggesting just to straign camp. There is a level of stupid and you are breaking it. Counters should are reliable ways to out manuever or to supply a weakness that can be exploited. You have proven erentil has 0 counters other than 'hoping' that a player misses. Great job...

I've made plenty of solid arguments. You are the one trying to twist things around acting like you can't move in air or use a radar 🤷‍♂️ apparently that stuff doesn't exist on PC. Again I also stated i'm not going to sit here and list off every single counter to every single play style because there are to many. I've given you a few examples. Apparently that blew your brain. Glad I could teach you that their in a radar in game and you can move while jumping in air 🤣 I guess you missed the part where I said you can hear erintel charging up. Wait for the charge to stop and push it. You'll be able to shotgun the erintel user long before it can charge up a shot. That's a pretty big weakness to exploit. But again thinking is apparently hard for you along with apparently reading. Me see red... me run at red.... me die... me big mad... me no want to imprive.. me no want to adapt... me want nerf... me no change playstyle.. playstyle change to me... you die when me see red...😂🤣😂

No you have made weak arguements that anyone with a brain and experience would smack you across the head over. You can move in the air.... that is almost pointless on PC where players only need a pixel to instant gib you with erentil. Trying to get out of the area usually results in you being exposed so if you sit there and wait someone will just flank you and your a sitting duck. Shotgun a erentil? Hahahaha, not likely. You might trade with them at best but again, most people aren't brainless twits like you are suggesting everyone seems to be.

I've given you examples of counters where you are claiming there are none. Again am I going to sit here and list off every single counter? Absolutely not. You need more then a pixel to kill someone with erintel. I mean... erintel is apparently easier to use on console then PC and you don't really see to many of them. 2% of kills in PvP are due to fusions as a whole where duskrock alone accounts for over 10% of kills. If erintel was the end all be all everyone would be running it not less then 2% of the playerbase. Again you apparently don't know how to use a radar. They must not have those on PC 🤷‍♂️. I can't remember the last time i've died to an erintel but i've shotgunned plenty of them without trading. So maybe it's a you problem. But I mean... I wouldn't expect much from someone who claims thinking about engagements and using a radar is to hard 😂

[quote]I mean... erintel is apparently easier to use on console then PC and you don't really see to many of them. [/quote] What? You can't be serious. I am going to give you another chance... cause you clearly don't know what you are talking about. Where the -blam- are you getting that BS statement? Cause according to DT its between erentil and mindbenders. Mindbender's is just currently more accessible and easier to get a powerful roll. Erentil you gotta do menagerie... which is dead. Use the current META statistics cause if you are saying overall... I dont' think I need to point out the terrible point you are making with data. I just checked both Charlemagne and DT and dusk rock isn't even in the top 10 weapons. Mindbenders is #2 while erentil is #6... buuuuut if you look at IB last week mindbenders was #4 while both Erentil and Wizen were #5 and #6 of the meta. So this means that IB brings out the more experienced players, and fewer of them use a shotgun in that playlist because... dusk rock is all the way down at the BOTTOM at #9 of kinetic weapons during IB. Normal play sure, Dusk Rock is back at #2, but that's with far fewer players. Again, dusk rock is easier to get a decent roll and farm than erentil because... Menagerie is dead (at least on PC).

Aztecross for one. But others have said the same. https://guardian.gg/2/weapon-stats Even if you go off destiny tracker fusions are used nowhere near the same rate as shotguns. Duskrock and mind benders alone triple erintel and wizened rebukes useage rate. Again... if fusion's were the end all be all everyone would be using them. But by going by gameplay and the numbers that's clearly not the case. I mean.. over 10% of kills are due to shotguns meanwhile fusions are struggling to break 2%... but yeah 🤔 that must clearly mean they are OP... that's why so few people are using them.

BECAUSE THEY ARE EASIER TO GET! Mindbender's is so mind numblingly easier to acquire a decent roll while again, erentil and wizards you need backup plan for a god roll. I can show videos of people people consistantly sniping people with erentil/wizards....[b] SOMETHING YOU AREN'T SUPPOSED TO DO![/b] Azectross has said on stream he hates using erentil till it gets nerfed a few months ago. I watched him say that, while most players won't use a fusion because they think "oh its slightly harder to use" until you have an erentil or a wizard's with the right perks.

That makes zero sense. Mind benders is harder to get then erintel. You can literally go into the menagerie and craft 3 erintels in one run.... plus it only takes about 10 minutes per menagerie run to get a guranteed erintel. You are trying to tell me that slotting runes is somehow magically harder then grinding the same nightfall repeatedly praying to RNG that you'll get a mind benders to even drop and that it'll be decent... are you dumb? Lmao. Great. That doesnt change the fact he said erintel is easier to use on console then PC which is why it's more prevalent on console then PC. Hate to break it to ya. But the numbers don't lie. Shotguns are what's broken AF that's why everyone and their mom is using them.

Azectross has no idea what he is talking about on PC, he doesn't main on PC and is guessing about that whichout being on it regularly. He is the same guy who said LoW was only busted on PC, well I was playing IB on my PS4 during that week and guess what? All I saw was LoW, sure it was slightly harder to use on console, slightly but he was very wrong about his meta analysis while other youtubers/streamers were reporting LoW on conosle as well. The only shotguns that are being used highly are two high impact shotguns, its just like fusion rifles where only two are being used, the fusions are more problematic because they completely shut down all primary weapon play in the game when used outside of extreme sinper ranges. Edit: Also yes, at least on PC erentil is harder to get cause... managerie is a dead activity on PC. I sat for 3 hours weeks ago trying to find a full loby and I didn't even matchmake a single person. A SINGLE. You would have to solo menagerie, which can both take a bit. For farming dusk rock or mindbenders? Farm a Lost Sector boss and reset a nightfall boss that you only have to do the strike once to keep farming him and resetting.