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Editado por U7731848:
10/20/2019 6:52:30 PM
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In relation to BloodyOmerta's video proof of hacking (that was ninja banned)
Why does Bungie protect hackers?
Honest question.. no smirk included.
Why is naming and shaming not allowed?
It is not like it is a liability issue or has any legal ramifications.
After thinking about it for a few years now, it just makes me scratch my head in bewilderment.
We should all be proudly posting video evidence and instances of obvious hacking by bad players.
Bungie can then investigate as desired and post a crow about how this player or group is perm banned. Bungie would then be heralded and reap the benefits of such.
Not to say anything about their customer base whoops and hollers as their collective morale shoots through the roof about it.
Why?
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#destiny2
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20 RespuestasEditado por Seraphim Crypto: 10/21/2019 11:01:20 PMName and Shame is not allowed because we simply don't want the possibility of any harassment happening. Personally, I understand the reasoning behind it. Nobody likes being cheated out of their victory, or their fun. But, I also know the Internet can be. Not saying that it always is that way. There are a lot of nice individuals in this community. But it also can turn bad real quick. We already had instances of massive harassment and mass-reports simply because some kinda-known YouTuber accused a few people of cheating and stuff went viral. Turned out they were only abusing their audience to get people banned, and things could've been even worse. Some people are real quick to throw threats around, and I mean the worst kind of threats. Some of you might've already received them in games over the pettiest stuff. I know I got my fair share of hate mail and threats. To get back to the point, we don't even want the possibility of that, here on bungie.net. Even if it's obvious that the player is cheating. As other Users explained quite well, it is up to Bungie to decide if they are guilty of cheating/hacking or not. It is not up to us, the players. "Evidence" can be faked, videos can be interpreted the wrong way. More often than not it could simply be a lag spike, we all know that the connection in video games can jump around, and Destiny is no exception to that. Bungie has the means to properly identify cheaters and hackers, and Bungie is giving us proper channels to report them. Use them. The link is here: https://www.bungie.net/en/Help/Troubleshoot?oid=13967 Bungie stated before that they do not use the forums to search for cheaters. But they certainly are aware of cheating happening. And considering the amount of "I've been banned" thteads that regularly appear, they also take care of reports. But they do so at their own discretion, and we'll have to accept that (though you can complain about that, that's what they have to accept). Here on the forums, we Ninjas simply enforce the rules. And one of them is to remove harassment. Name and Shame falls under that. We don't want to protect cheaters. We want to protect anyone from harassment.
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Editado por barny_bum_fluff: 10/22/2019 12:33:07 PMWait for it... [b]POSTS ABOUT BANNED POSTS WILL BE BANNED![/b] [spoiler]cause its the possibility of people searching them out and harassing them.[/spoiler]
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1 RespuestaBecause hackers are also customers and they increase the total number of players logging in.
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What do you expect from bungie? We live in a day we’re regular players get punished while cheaters go on to cheat for years before a streamer/YouTuber call that player out. Bungie how you fell from grace
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Editado por Boss_KADA: 10/22/2019 12:06:16 PM”Being a jerk is not a bannable offense.” Finally, one of them responded! Still, if everything had the potential to be faked then no justice would be served, ever. What do they do? How do they investigate from just a generic button prompt then? I’ve called out harshly by raid team of friends before, and cheated out of loot before. The guy literally has YouTube vids of ruining other people’s activities. Bungie really doesn’t care, and need all the players they can get
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name shaming isn‘t much of a thing. Most of them won’t even care unless they get banned, because this forum has literally no influence on Bungie and on many others who play this game.
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2 RespuestasYou cant objectively call someone out as a hacker (even if the evidence is extremely overwhelming) until they are proven guilty. Bungie would need to review the data of that game to see if anything looks fishy. But when you call someone out, you are shaming that person to the community and everyone else will also shame them before they are proven guilty. Its pretty much what CNN did to that kid in Washington DC with the old Indian guy and his fake account of what happened. But I also agree with you 100%. It is dumb that developers take down videos from the their forums (*cough* cough* PUBG *cough*) and even ban their player base for making such posts that identify cheaters. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot lol. After all, if those videos arent ending up in your forum for you to manage and take care of... they will just appear on other social media networks and forums like reddit where it will explode in popularity 1000% and hey, they dont control those other forums and media accounts.
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I think it should absolutely be okay if you have clear evidence of them cheating like some PvP players have been posting. Bungie is really going to need to step up their cheat detection since they went F2P on Steam.
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1 RespuestaLinking a video should absolutely not be part of the name and shame policy. It makes zero sense. What if this happened when Datto was streaming? Lol cmon.
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omfg DID THEY BANNED HIM ALSO? Why? This game is done for, man.... its over, last one shut down the LIGHT
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Saw my bro play guys the other day (survival) they would respawn instantly after being killed almost like a copy. They (bros team) would lose rounds even if they killed all enemies. Funny how this goes unnoticed.
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9 RespuestasBecause it's not the communities responsibility to accuse people of cheating, judge them, select their punishment, or know what Bungie ultimately does about it. Report suspected cheaters and move on.
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1 RespuestaI mean it’s a pretty reasonable thing to not allow random name calling because that could lead to people being unjustly reported and banned. However if there is good evidence like videos and pictures of someone cheating then I think locking the post and removing all the evidence is a terrible decision.
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Editado por TEKNOLYTE: 10/20/2019 8:30:42 PMI agree with you 100% cheaters should be exposed not hidden by bungie. INB4 ninja
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Editado por Jim_PHX: 10/21/2019 5:12:16 AM[i]In my opinion...[/i] If the video evidence is concrete proof of hacking or cheating then it should stay. If not, then they should lock/redact it. [i]It's gotten out of control since New Light launched.[/i]
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One reason is because too many people would abuse that and claim someone cheated when it was really just lag, luck, or a skilled troll. Then you get the whole angry mob thing where people cease thinking logically and someone ends up doing something stupid. Now back in Bungie Halo you could occasionally catch cheaters looking back in theater mode. Had one grouped up team lag switch (or similar network exploit) to double spawn in power weapons once. After the game I used theater mode to see how 2 of the same power weapon was in play at the start of the match. It showed both of them reach the power weapon, one take it while the other waited then a massive lag spike followed by the weapon respawning. But since there’s no recent games theater mode (at least that I’m aware of) this seems like a decent rule. Now if games could be unloaded to run in theater mode, with names scrubbed (for purposes of bias removal) for the community to weigh in on as a form of community review flagging, that could be useful. Not many people master all classes and subs so would filter out time where someone just doesn’t know how the opponents class/sub works.
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They don't, they just understand that people aren't mature enough to not go out of their way to harass said cheater after being posted. They deal with the cheaters but they don't want people harassing them. "But they deserve it for cheating" It's a video game, no they don't, people gotta grow up.
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Sure, they protect hackers. Thats why there was a massive banwave directed at aimbotters a few weeks ago. 🙄
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The idea behind it is that it is quite easy to leave the door open for salty whiners to incite with hunts, or an uninformed person inciting a with hint over temporary lag or some other non-cheating issue (as well as actual informed users who have captured evidence of cheating) I’m not commenting on the logistics of it, but you should know that making threads specifically about locked threads (as yours is) is against the rules and it’ll probably be locked shortly. Just FYI
