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9/22/2019 10:21:39 PM
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Recluse is balanced imo change my mind
Personally I feel like recluse is a fine gun. It has a kill clip/rampage mix that is slightly better than your average kill clip and rampage x2-3, and it has a outlaw type perk that allows for faster reload. Besides, on console most smgs are not the greatest due to range and recoil control even though on PC they pretty much snipe and have zero recoil, please, rant to me as to why overall you think recluse is OP?
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2 RespuestasEditado por tchakael: 9/24/2019 11:56:16 AMIt's OP because it takes away choice. When you have a do it all gun that is extremely easy to use, you cling to only use it and it limits what you can do, specially in a gun loot game. To balance, they should change master of arms to only proc when you get a kill with another weapon, not with the recluse, and the damage buff should only apply to precision damage. Feeding frenzy is fine, the gun is suppose to be fast.
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Pinnacle weapons in PVP were a bad game design move. But Bungie was desperate to get people to play in a dying Comp play list. So they did it anyway. So now they've turned what was an isolated "God Roll" problem into a systematic, "Rich Get Richer" problem that has made PVP a miserable experience to the average player.
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1 Respuesta42 broadswords later, I can def say it needs a PvP buff, to compete with meta weapons.
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1 RespuestaIt's more than just "slightly better" than Kill Clip or Rampage. It's >Kill Clip damage on [i]bodyshots[/i]. You can melt someone in 0.5 seconds and you don't even need to aim for the head. It's also dumb that kills with Recluse proc MoA. The entire intended playstyle with the gun is that you kill someone with your Kinetic and then swap to Recluse to melt someone who is pushing you. That playstyle is thrown completely out the window when you can just get one kill with Recluse and then go on to wipe the entire team by proccing MoA over and over again. Shotguns dug the grave of Sidearms and SMGs, but Recluse was the nail in the coffin. There is literally no reason to use a Sidearm or an SMG that isn't Recluse because Recluse does what they do but 10x better. Recluse has killed the variety in CQC primary gunplay. Recluse is the gun equivalent of butter on white toasted bread. It tastes good, but holy shit does it get boring fast. You want to actually make Recluse balanced? Make it so that kills with Recluse don't proc MoA and adjust the bodyshot damage with MoA active to be more in line with Kill Clip.
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2 RespuestasDepends on the activity you're in. Crucible? It's just a really well rolled Lightweight energy SMG. It'll only be remarkable if the player is good. PvE? It's laughable how ridiculous it is. It is the best legendary primary in the game for PvE content right now. It's basically Fatebringer/Midnight Coup 2.0. Incredible minion clearing potential, can shred through majors or soften them up quickly, it has little to no ammo economy issues, it's easy to use and the pinnacle perk is very forgiving with how much time you have as well as how much it increases non-precision damage. Good range as well for an SMG. I really liked Recluse when I first got it, but it just feels cheap to use. The damage buff is also the strongest in the game while simultaneously the easiest to activate/maintain. Recluse only has two downsides: The energy damage type, and the range limitation. The energy damage type is only noteworthy in cases of mismatched shields and the range limitation is basically only an issue when you physically can not get closer to the target (which isn't often). It's edging on exotic territory that's for sure.
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4 RespuestasI’m a console player so I find Luna’s howl is a more reliable energy weapon. Like the kick on all smgs there are garbage. Luna’s howl is an easy to control high tier weapon for anything close-mid range, so like pairing that with a sniper or shotgun and you’re pretty much good. Recluse is just an smg that’s hard to control but if you have the perk active and control the recoil it’s the best gun in the game up to midrange. Like shotgun recluse is too volatile for me and sniper recluse isn’t consistent enough mid range due to both the sniper flinch and recluses recoil so like Luna is just consistently better for me.
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1 RespuestaPvP, it's annoying, but it's not overpowered on console. It is up there though. But PvE. Why bother using literally any other weapon when you can just use recluse? It's killclip without any of kill clip's restrictions, it's rampage without a ramp up, it's outlaw without precision, and ontop of that, it bumps up bodyshot damage by a huge amount compared to anything else.
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4 RespuestasYou don’t see antiope d doing that amount of crazy damage. Nothing wrong with it though, just wish it wasn’t the only weapon able to melt that fast
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Editado por Demon_XXVII: 9/23/2019 12:21:02 PMIt is what it is (I don’t have Recluse)....and on many occasions where I’ve been slaughtered by it - I think “OK, well next time I’ll just Jötunn the fvcker off the map!” 😆 As for ‘changing your mind’ - it’s a god damn game - not a sociological perspective!
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7 RespuestasEditado por Funky Osiris: 9/23/2019 5:30:21 PMDo u have the recluse bruh? Dont think so
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3 RespuestasChange your mind? Lol, get the heck outta here with that nonsense. Your mind is already made up.
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1 RespuestaCan we stop these "change my mind" threads? They're so pointless. It's 2019... everyone enters a discussion with their mind already made up, no amount of truth or facts can make a person change their opinion anymore so it's a waste of time. Please just stop.
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7 RespuestasIt's mostly balanced on console, but on PC it's super overpowered due to having no recoil.
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I don t think recluse is op, without the perk it s just an auto rifle (i know it s a submachine gun) that only works in shotgun range.
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1 RespuestaRecluse with out its perk is very lack luster. Most 900 subs deal most base damage then recluse like hero’s burden for example. And a hero’s burden killclip is basically a recluse.
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it leaves every other add clearing weapons in the dust. I never used the kindle orchid (curated) since I got recluse.
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2 RespuestasEditado por Amazinite: 9/23/2019 10:39:57 AMThis lad just said Master of Arms is only slightly better than Kill Clip or Rampage. Rampage: 3 kills for a 66% damage buff that can be refreshed. Kill Clip: 1 kill then a reload for a 50% damage buff that can’t be refreshed. Master of Arms: 1 kill with any of your weapons for a 140% bodyshot damage buff, 50% headshot damage buff that can be refreshed. The only thing that comes close is Multikill Clip, for a 100% damage buff after 3 kills and a reload that can be refreshed on reloads. I think all Master of Arms needs is to reduce the bodyshot multiplier to 100% to match Multikill Clip.
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5 RespuestasThe insane thing is it’s getting buffed as is every other uzi
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10 RespuestasEditado por CallM3_Captain36: 9/23/2019 2:42:12 AMAgreed but it’s gonna get nerfed so it doesn’t matter what you think. I think it’s fine on console at least because recoil and range hurt smgs bad on here
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10 RespuestasI don’t think it’s op. It’s just really easy to use and casual friendly. However it is stupid that the perk can activate for non Recluse weapon kills.
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5 RespuestasIt actually is balanced, why people consider it a crutch/ OP weapon I'll never understand. Without the damage buff it's not very different from other SMGs, how a tweaked combination of Rampage and Kill Clip makes it OP is something only crybabies will complain about. Let me put it in another perspective. I run Recluse in almost evey loadout, that might change when Shadowkeep comes out. TLW/ Recluse. On console TLW is hard to use effectively, I don't think I've seen anyone consistently 3 tap with it so you're likely using at least 4/8 shots to kill someone. I could reload with up to 4 stacks of Fan Fire and HC reload or use Marksman Dodge, but I don't use HC Dexterity (I use Traction) so that's at least 2 seconds I'm not shooting, or I can switch to Recluse and melt him. Arbalest or Revoker/ Recluse. Get that head shot so I can deal with the shotgun rusher that's likely behind me. Blast Furnace (Feeding Frenzy and Kill Clip) or Outbreak/ Recluse. Same as the last loadout. PVE, Lumina works so well with it. In PVP I brought this up with someone sending me hate mail for spamming Recluse. Of the 33 kills/ assists I got in that match, if I remember correctly my points came from the following: 4 BB kills 1 throwing knife 2 grenades 3 LMG kills 5 Recluse kills, the crucible kill tracker on the weapon said so. 18 TLW kills 1/6 of my kills came from the weapon I was "spamming", this same guy was spamming shoulder charge with OEM and Erentil. Once I brought that up he stopped messaging me.
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2 RespuestasChange this 🖕🏻
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1 RespuestaI've found that it melts enemies in pve better than any other primary ammo using weapon. So definitely not balanced in pve.
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Well you know it's called a pinnacle Weapon :) it's not as easy to get as exotics, so it has to be a good Weapon that is above some other "good" alternatives
