I know the destiny dads are gonna riot.

Talk crap, having done Scourge with an all hunter team, you don't need either. All they do is allow players a certain level of security and I say this as a Warlock main.

That's why i miss destiny one raids, no one would complain about needing to reload guns, and no one would call NH a crutch, the game itself and a good part of the community are not in a good spot right now

Hang on, Titan bubble and Warlock rez we’re both crutches. I appreciate the rose colored glasses, but D1 had its raid crunches same as D2.

But even rez wasn't too op in hard raids and etcetera (unless if the team was made entirely of warlocks but i never saw such a thing), at least my team never relied on it to play and they're crying because they think that without auto reloads they won't be able to do raids anymore, like come on man, at least in d1 we needed to reload our guns (sorry for the bad english, it isn't my first language)

Wait until they nerf your crutch. They say all hunter team can do it. Yes cel. N hawk needs to go.

My crutch? I'm a warlock main... Or can't you read? Plus I run void hunter in raids to provide orbs for my teams.

Right, because you can do that, it means everyone else can too. I said MOST teams, not all. And it was more or less an inditement on what you just mentioned -- that Well and Luna have trivialized the raids because they are an easy crutch if you don't know what you're doing. I don't know how I was talking crap though?

You can finish any raid with just about any loadout. They are not hard.

[quote]most people[/quote] I didn't say everybody.

True. I’m actually happy they are steering the game away from casual and more towards hobbyist. Clears should not be automatic. Encounters should be well thought out requiring synergistic loadouts and roles. My preference on difficulty: Story mission - beginners - almost automatic clear especially in a fireteam. Challenging to solo. Strike - intermediate - not always automatic. Requires some thought. Endgame like dungeon or raid - advanced - requires good loadout and well coordinated team.

I guess my initial point being there are a lot of groups that can stumble around and still complete a 1 phase -- but once this nerf goes into effect I think it will lower the DPS enough that you won't be able to anymore. So there are a lot of groups who probably aren't prepared for that. I don't think most groups even know how to run Last Wish legit. I don't run with a set group and like to help out in sherpa raids often so I have seen both sides of the spectrum. There are a lot of people in raids who can barely kill things and stay alive. So I get it, people in set groups running with the same people doing the same executions over and over -- nothing will ever be complicated for them unless Bungie drastically change their raid design. I think this change will leave less room for dead weight or error -- even if just a little. Even a guy who can't kill anything all raid right now can still drop a Luna Well which is automatic for the 1 phase. Next season you might actually have to be responsible for doing real work. Even for good raiders it's pretty easy to do an encounter right when you know you only have to do it once. Most of the well prepared raid teams I have been on still end up having dumb shit happen from time to time. That will just be more prevalent once you have to start doing all the encounters multiple times. Less room for error always makes something harder. I do agree though. Clears should not be automatic. But I also think Bungie has become WAY too stingy with loot drops, and just not making that great of raid loot lately, so the balance seems fine to me right now. Just my opinion.