Earlier last week, I was on the Destiny 2 PC LFG discord server looking for a Scourge of The Past. I put in my post "lf2m fresh, no net limiters." The reason I requested this is because I actually like to do the mechanics and not cheat my way through the raid. Requesting this is totally within the bounds of the discord server - the channels are for LFGing, not for arguing about requirements. It's not like I'm requiring darci, recluse, mountaintop. Anyway, someone, sarcastically or not, hard to tell because of text, said, "There's no other way to do the raid." I've been on PC only about 5 weeks now since my PC was built and given to me, and I personally have seen Net Limiting being used in 3 raids. What is Net Limiting? Well, I don't know the specifics, but from dialogue I've heard, I understand it to be a 3rd party program that is run to intentionally lag your internet in ways that benefit you. On the opening part of the raid, you pick up the ball that is the non-5 ball, you go to the correct spot, have your buddies kill the servitors, you turn on your NL, and you dunk it 4 times, ending the encounter instantly. It also seems to have a positive effect on tank DPS when done correctly - to the point where the structure in the center goes down in seconds with just 1 or 2 tanks up, missile coordination not required. And, guess what? You can NL again on the boss to duplicate the first ball 4 times again to spawn the tanks! All your teammates need to do is shoot the shields off the boss - not a hard job for 4 people. I told my friend about NL and he asked me hypothetically if I thought people would be able to use it in the new Shadowkeep raid to benefit them. Therefore I pose this question to Bungie. Where do we draw the line when it comes to glitching (and blatant cheating) in PvE? In meaningful endgame content such as the raid? Sincerely, a double master rank raider who tries not to be an asshole to everyone he raids with.