Really, hmm. Maybe it's just cuz warlocks jump is so bad for crucible that I don't really see it in action

[b]Hammers[/b] Siegebreaker can have it's good moments, but for the most part they're obscured by simply running the top tree. Talking in terms of PvE, Siegebreaker is default outclassed by Fire Forged due to Melting Point. It becomes additionally outclassed because Fire Forged also gives the hammers tracking, and provides a triangular AoE upon impact (enemies killed by said hammer or discharges also explode in solar energy, chaining.) Talking in terms of PvP, Siegebreaker only has it's niche opportunities to shine and that's when and/or if Sunspots can be abused against certain teams. As long as opponents have any game sense or knowledge, they'll know to simply goad you out of your sunspot, or just leave the area and pressure others while you camp on it. These hammers also have no tracking, no AoE and only have a longer duration if you're standing in the spots. Burning Maul... well, it's only viable if you spam the Heavy Attack - doing so limits you to standing perfectly still, and while it's rewarded with a heavy tracking on it's attack, it can literally be bunny-hopped over, thus nullifying it completely. [b]Striker[/b] Thundercrash being good? You've got to be joking me. Would you please enlighten me as to why you think it's such a strong class if it's literally the second least played subclass [i]in the entire game[/i]? The only class that's played less than it is Siegebreaker, which you also say to be good. (You probably watched TV's video on it and assume it's good.) Using Thundercrash is an extremely risky super with little-to-no reward. Often times you'll find yourself limited to either shutting down a super (if you hit them.) or a single kill/no kill before you die because you're now square in the face of enemies with your gun stowed. This super can both be heard and seen coming from a mile away, and enemies with even some game sense will know to just run underneath and past you, or walk around a corner because the turn radius while in this super is practically non existent. [b]Sentinel[/b] There are many, many others out there - titan main or not - that all speak the fact that if you're running Ward of Dawn, you're probably trolling. None of this trees perks are good at all (and there is no regeneration on it, it's an overshield). You get a single shield to throw, and then have to rely on the awful Sentinel melee hit registration. I won't even explain why Code of the Commander is bad in PvP because it's exactly the same reason as Ward of Dawn. The reason any Sentinel who wants to be competitive should run bottom tree is because you get two shield throw charges, you get a shoulder charge ability, [i]and[/i] you get bonus energy to another shield throw charge if your shield kills targets. These shields have immense tracking and bounce and are capable of wiping entire teams with a single toss. You will not have to use the melee attack unless someone is in your face in this case. But, please; I would love to know how you - someone who barely plays PvP - knows full well about how "strong" Titans are, when they're [i]still[/i] the least played class in PvP as a whole, while sporting [b]THREE[/b] of the least played subclasses in the [i]entire game[/i].

I dont think it needs a nerf give the gwisin vest back the amount of super energy it use to get back or lower the heavy and light att cost

It's not underrated, it's just not viable. Burning Maul is the third least played subclass in the game. In fact, Titans have three of the least played subclasses. 1. Siegebreaker 2. Thundercrash 3. Burning Maul Yes, the tracking on the flame trail is excellent - but it's hitbox is also incredibly small and parallel with the ground. It can literally be bunny hopped over, or simply take cover from because it detonates on hitting even the slightest geometry. Spamming said RT attack also limits you to standing perfectly still, begging to be nova bombed or killed in any way (double fusion, double snipe.)

Some might even venture to say that it has insanely dumb/mildly-inescapable tracking