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Editado por Scorpius XX1: 7/4/2019 10:19:12 PM
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Simply put, handcannons in Destiny are basically lightsabers.

That's why there are so many. It's the aspect of romanticism that players seem to be missing with the architype. It is also why five of these handcannons carry with them major lore implications with three of it's major protagonists being handcannon users. Cayde, Shin, and Dredgen Yor. Conversely, the other two major players as far as NPC's are concerned, Ikora and Zavala, don't identify with any weapon architype in the game currently that I am aware of. There is not a lot in the design of say a '' Sweet Business.'' that would invoke feelings of mysticism or fantasy. And no, of course they are not swords, or laser swords. The comparison I'm making is in their premise. The design. Anyway, saw a lot of '' There are too many handcannon.'' type posts, so I thought I would provide this perspective. Of course from a gameplay and architype standpoint alone, sure it can be annoying. But again, there is not much skillful or romantic about Guardians praying and spraying like Rambo. And while yes, other weapon architypes do posses substancial lore of their own, I find it to be more technological then romantic or philosophical. And if Bungie is going to continue to explore this light and dark dynamic, it makes perfect sense that these weapons of skill have played, and will continue to play a vital role. Just a quick edit. I did not expect this post to gain this much traction. So thanks to all the Guardians who contributed to the discussion. Clearly you guys are very passionate about this particular in game issue. However, there was something I noticed in a few of the replies that I would like to touch on. The notion of bias as far as the writer of the opinion is concerned. I don't think some of you understand how bias works. Saying that my opinion has bias is like saying water is wet. My opinion has to have belief and conviction in order for it provoke a discourse. And this holds true for anyone whom decides to provide a topic of opinion first. It is the responsibility of the responder to leave their bias at the door and think over the matter critically and decide if it has merit. Not the person that holds the opinion to begin with. In other words, it's not my job to do your thinking for you. Now of course, in some walks of life, it is prudent, even mandatory to be as objective as possible and interpret only. This is not one of those cases. We are discussing a space fantasy video game. Almost half of the issues being discussed are subjective. In other words, if I'm the reader, or the viewer of an opinion, then the choice of bias presents itself, do I view it closemindedly, or do I give what is being stated a fair hearing. Now just because I may choose the latter doesn't mean I have to agree. The point is it would fall on me, not the person expressing his or her opinion. So, try to bear this in mind when responding to people that hold opinions. When you say they have bias it's completely moot and has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Stop inferring, stop trying to read between lines, and actually think about what's being said, not the presumed intention behind it.
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  • Hand cannons dominate because bungie refuses to buff their two direct counters (scouts and autos). So because the only other easy to use primary is a pulse, that’s all we see but hand cannons are just cooler to use than a burst rifle so everyone is gonna use them. Guarantee if they buffed autos and scouts, hc usage would drop and there’d be more variety

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    • Ikora is most commonly seen using a shotgun while zavala likes to stare angrily and talk like he is disappointed in our guardian’s and the other npc’s choices

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    • can we get guardians as weapons wanna throw someone like Efferdiet did

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      • I think you should add that with Forsaken they wanted a “western revenge” theme and hand cannons are essentially the same look as the old style 6 shooter pistols of the “Old West.” As you used the word “romanticism,” there is definitely iconic of associating “six shooters” with the romanticism of the “Old West.” I think another thing to add is why people feel hand cannons are over done now. The Thorn quest , TLW were weapons that were released in D1 but were mixed in with other exotics and the AoS was a hunter weapon released in TTK. So there wasn’t a feel of hand cannons being the focus. The Forsaken and DLC seasons saturated 5 exotic hand cannons in a 9 month period with only Truth and Outbreak prime and raid exotics as new. That is glaring for some people. I see why they don’t like the focus on this weapon type. Especially console players who hate bloom while PC players love hand cannons.

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      • [quote]But again, there is not much skillful or romantic about Guardians praying and spraying like Rambo.[/quote] You.... aren’t American. That’s the sound of raining freedom, and it’s beautiful

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        • These are the kinds of posts that separate analytics over conjecture. Great post, don't let all the idiotical "bias" posts dilute a good discussion.

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        • Dude you wanna like write my university papers bro?

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        • Invective anyone?

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        • Editado por Mauno Mato: 7/5/2019 7:35:07 AM
          Zavala clearly wields the Origin Story and Ikora the whatsitsface vanguard pulse rifle. Very clear that there are 3 classes who have their favorite weapons classes...

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          • [b]*Loads Invective with Malicious Intent*[/b]

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          • Nah. Hand canons are extremely outdated in a game like this. You just like hand canons so you felt the need to make up some bizarre story about hand canons being romantic. We need more futuristic weapons, not archaic ones. I think you’re confused about the overall premise of this game which is to shoot as many things as fast as possible. If you don’t find that in and of itself romantic, then you can go back to playing LEGO Starwars. Scrub.

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            • Invective was Ikora's shotty. Bad Juju was connected to toland. Bungie, give me those weps bro.

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            • Editado por WhaleBike: 7/5/2019 1:41:46 AM
              Op: Is really smart with cool opinion Comments: YOu ArE BIaSeD ANd StUpiD

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            • You could put Ikora as a shotgunner with invenctive...and game art for d2 has her holding a shotgun.

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            • I understand your premise. But it's really not hard to put great lore into other weapons, even if they aren't as recognizably 'iconic' in a sense. Bad Juju, Red Death, Touch of Malice, Cataclysm, Outbreak Prime, etc. These stand out the most off the top of my head. [quote]There is not a lot in the design of say a '' Sweet Business.'' that would invoke feelings of mysticism or fantasy. [/quote] Well, yeah, some guns aren't supposed to be like that, sure. Just as Sunshot isn't exactly the best showcase of what you're saying either. [quote]But again, there is not much skillful or romantic about Guardians praying and spraying like Rambo.[/quote] It depends greatly on the context of the situation rather than the gun itself. You can spray and prey with a hand cannon just the same and get a less than skillful, but desperate and life threatening, outcome with that scenario. An auto that doesn't have 18,000 bullets in the magazine would have to be used skillfully too, imo, but I would assume that scenes that 'are' spraying and preying hundreds of enemies are more romanticized in the terms of self sacrifice and going face to face with certain defeat. Besides, have you ever seen speeding shooting with rifles and the like? It's damn impressive. You could do a Destiny equivalent when necessary easily if the goal of a scene is to showcase 'romance and skill with a gun'. -- Right now, Destiny is thematically hand cannon oriented. This much is sure. However, with some effort, a lot of guns of all archtypes could easily reign in the same amount of romanticism if given roles, perks, or scenarios that suit the role (or even cut scenes if they ever go that far). I mean, lots of people have made PvP montages that can make almost any gun look romanticized given the correct light. I've seen the whole spectrum of weapon types made to seem as cool as possible in the hands of the wielder. But Bungie wants the theme of hand cannon verse hand cannon that's going on. That's fine and all, but there is a lot that could be done to spread this 'acclaim' hand cannons have to the rest of the archetypes with a little bit of effort.

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            • You are correct sir and later it out perfectly. Guardians and hand cannons go hand in hand . Like bread and butter Jedis and lightsabers Rednecks and diddlin’ Trump and Porn stars You can’t have one without the other. All the other archetypes are just a little filler . Keep those hand cannons coming bungie .

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            • Editado por CunningOrange01: 7/4/2019 10:59:40 PM
              Dude do you even sidearm? Edit: I love how this sarcasm comment turned into god rolls sidearms

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              • You're extremely biased and over inflated. Also, downplaying the skill it takes to use other weapons and claiming your weapon of choice takes the most skill is really just poor sportsmanship and immature. Using an auto rifle that shoots pellets and trying to counter people running around on PC with 3 hit kill hand cannons (and excessive perk trees) takes plenty of skill and patience. Personally I think that anyone arguing that whether you hold a mouse on a target and hold m1 down or click m1 multiple times is a real discernible difference in skill maybe needs to get out more. With modern gaming mice, being able to keep your mouse cursor on a target and click fire really isnt that deep of a skill anymore. My advice is try playing a real sport that actually takes real dedication, pain, and mental fortitude (try fighting or cycling or something). I think it will put things in perspective and help you realize that arguing/making these "skill" arguments in video games are like arguing that it takes skill and coordination to whipe your nose (sure maybe it does take some skill, but is it really something to brag about?) I dislike this post and completely disagree with your perspective. The game needs variety and multiple competitive archetypes other than hand cannons. Hand cannons do not need to be the staple weapon of destiny. As this game moves towards its identity of mmo/rpg shooter, the players should choose their staple weapon that they identify with and it's the developer's role to provide options, diversity, and depth of choice. Hand cannon fatigue is a problem right now. We simply don't need anymore hand cannons. We need to encourage more variety in loadout choice, especially in PVP.

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                • For star wars, their inspirations come from Knights and Samurai. So the lightsabers make sense in their context. For destiny, the inspiration of most of the lore comes from old western cowboy stories. Therefore handcanons are thematically appropriate. This isn't to say that this is the only thematic I aspiration the game has however. The awoken take their inspirations from magical fantasy elves with magical fantasy powers and magical fantasy kingdoms and other magical fantasy bull.

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                  • Cool, hopefully we'll get a Hawkmoon saber at some point.

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                  • Except they are selling a video game with loot. If you only ever produce high quality weaponry for a single weapon type, of course they are going to become the most popular. Handcannons always get a brand new weapon with each dlc, a new exotic guaranteed, while the rest only have HALF the amount, of which are complete garbage year 1 weapons. Suros is only good because it's suros, but I'm sick of only ever getting old d1 exotics and NEVER any new ones. It's like if borderlands just made an unwieldy amount of legendary smgs while the rest only get a couple. People are going to be angry because they don't get to use anything else without sacrificing fun. Maybe if autos got new and cool exotics, people wouldn't care, but they simply don't and it's frustrating. I like auto rifles, but where the -blam!- are my new exotic weapons? Why do handcannons get brand new weapons every season or a reworked version of an old one to where it's good, but autos can't even get the ones that suck to be buffed? This constant bias is annoying. I don't care about lore or the worthless setting people try to use to justify the reason they don't put in any effort to make other weapons. Why isn't there some crazy auto that sucks the life out of a target for health, why can't simple crazy things like this exist for other weapon types? I use handcannons more than anything else, but I'm tired of this favoritism.

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                    • Editado por neonsox42: 7/5/2019 2:21:27 AM
                      Ikora identifies more with Shotguns (See Invective) Lord Shax more with Swords (See D1 Swords especially Raze Lighter) Toland has Bad Juju and the Stranger had No Time to Explain (Pulses) Ana Bray has her Scout Rifle + Polaris Lance Super Good Advice was Panahin (actually has deep connection to VoG) Wish-Ender has its person Amanda Holiday has connections to Chaperone Fighting Lion (and tons of armor) are related to Wei Ning Even something as boring as Boolean Gemini has links to Petra Saying that other weapons don’t have connections to weapon types is being reductive. Also those weapons are literally only attributed to 3 people, one of them didn’t even hold any of them.

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                    • Handcannons have always been Iconic to Destiny. I mean, the biggest weapon names in the game beside Gjallarhorn and Mythoclast will be and always shall be - Hawkmoon - Thorn - Last Word Speaking of which....Bungie, before you go on Handcannon Hiatus, bring back Pre nerf Hawkmoon. Ya, the one that could map you better than scout rifles and 1 hit kill you for 280 crit.

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                    • Ikora uses shotguns. Zavala is an AR guy.

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                    • Can you please tell me where to get your good stuff?

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                      • Name a game that has a weapon like a hand canon and is actually worth playing, i mean why wouldn't ya want to feel like a dirty harry space cowboy ! I can go play 100+ different games with AR's, SMG's, shotguns ect ect ... Some of Apex "pistols" are Hand Canon-esq but not even remotely in the same class . Just my opinion .

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