[quote]Honestly I'm concerned what impact it may have on the community... I've stated my concerns and am not going to bother arguing about it further. I am just going to watch status and figures for the next few weeks and come to a conclusion based on data. Maybe this will be for the betterment of the community. Time will tell.[/quote] That’s super cryptic. I assume you have some kind of concerns about the gun and it’s effect on the community. That’s cool. Ideally I hope that players come back to see the new content, have a good LFG experienced, and stay for a while. I’ve been in 4 clans since D2 launched. I came in with my D1 clan, they all quit, all three clans I’ve been in (before they all quit too) I got the invite because I played LFG with someone and we were successful and had fun. I hope that happens for people working on Zero Hour.

Not the gun, no. More the type of behavior I've been seeing surrounding the event. I am /expecting/ to see tomorrow (rather Sunday) that Saturday's pve numbers were around 700 to 750k, which is a dramatic upswing from where they have been for about the last month and a half, and to be fair that is a conservative number, it could be much higher. If the numbers are higher than that, and remain higher, then I will feel more confident that Bungie is appealing to the correct members of their playerbase and indicate they are moving in the right direction. What concerns me is that Destiny has a violently divided community. It's only grown more so as time has gone on. And since this started, it's reached kinda a fever pitch where people are being legitimately ugly to one another...... The reason I'm being cryptic is because I don't want to make a prediction and deal with people screaming at me because I don't need this toxicity in my life anymore. But if you really want to know.. I feel like Bungie has made a clear decision to not try to be "all things to all people" anymore, they've made a deliberate choice on "what kind of players they want playing their game" and that they don't care if that causes them to loose players as long as they retain the players they're interested in, and all I can do is watch the player statistics and hope to see signs they've made the right decision. I'm not placing a prediction, or giving odds on how it will turn out, I just hope that when the dust settles, the game will be better off for it. Maybe it will be... As I said, most people didn't have time to mess with this event until the weekend, I am fully expecting to see no less than 700 to 750 k, and possibly much higher. That will be a good sign they made the right decision.

The problem is Bungie have been doing EXACTLY what you have stated and the player base is declining , has done so for many months... They might not want to be everything to everyone but they certainly seem to be ONLY catering to the hardcore and elitists and this is what is driving players away from the game.. They are ignoring a very large part of the player base in doing so. As stated by others these days lots of groups , clans and LFG mobs etc.. state must have this gun or something similar yet refuse to help other achieve things .. Bungies seemingly constant catering toward the elite or hardcore base by these stupid timed quests like Whisper or Outbreak just further alienate the already divided community and if this is the path they choose they will soon find out they won’t have many purchasers of their next annual pass let alone D3 ... Very simple steps can be taken to appease the vast majority of players and yet keep the hardcore entertained ..

I do not disagree with you. But. Bungie is it's own company. I do not have to agree with their decisions. I point of fact have spent far too much time trying to counsel them about their decisions. What ever else, they surely must know that their actions are alienating part of their fan base. I do not believe these people are stupid. Misguided at times, but not stupid. They know their actions have consequences. I fear the only meaningful action people who disagree with their policy decisions can take is to simply not play the game, and not buy any more bungie products, until such time as they change. As it stand. Rather or not they can appease the majority of players it's simply becoming increasingly clear they don't want to. I feel this is a deliberate stance they're taking. I am picking up some other games for now. I can only hope that Bungie reconsiders their choices. But I have given up on asking them to change..... My counsel to you, Rogue, is that you treat it like an abusive relationship. And if you have not been in an abusive relationship, take this experience as the measure of one. They do not care what we think. They will use us for what we will allow them to take from us, and when they have no further use for us, they will discard us. You cannot ever change an abuser. When they say they've changed, they haven't, when they say they're sorry, they aren't. All you can do is leave with whatever you have left. But that is only my counsel, you must make your own decisions.

If they are purposely alienating large sections of the player base then they will certainly not be doing much with D3 or its launch will be a epic fail due to how they treat their consumers ... As said very simple things would see the vast majority of players content

Well the thing is this.... *deep breath... Blows out cheeks and rubs temples* dark souls is not "profitable" but it does have a small, highly toxic, non revenue generating, but none the less dedicated player base.... The game industry largely considers the "dark souls archetype" a failure in concept, something that cannot make money..... But...does generate enough revenue to /exist/..... Some businesses. Some developers. Aren't looking to make money hand over fist. They just want to make enough money to go into the office a few hours each day, do some work, go home, and still get a salary. I have assumed for too long that bungie wants to make a hugely popular game with a massive active playerbase that has atleast a 75 to 80% approval rating among two million or more players....... It is legitimately possible they legitimately want to only have a few hundred thousand dedicated players and simply aren't interested in retaining any players who are not the type of player Bungie "wants" to play their game. I don't think that is a wise marketing decision?.... But. If they don't want you and me playing their game, and don't care if we quit... Then I can't change that. All I can do is find other games to dedicate my time to.

[quote]Not the gun, no. More the type of behavior I've been seeing surrounding the event. I am /expecting/ to see tomorrow (rather Sunday) that Saturday's pve numbers were around 700 to 750k, which is a dramatic upswing from where they have been for about the last month and a half, and to be fair that is a conservative number, it could be much higher. If the numbers are higher than that, and remain higher, then I will feel more confident that Bungie is appealing to the correct members of their playerbase and indicate they are moving in the right direction. What concerns me is that Destiny has a violently divided community. It's only grown more so as time has gone on. And since this started, it's reached kinda a fever pitch where people are being legitimately ugly to one another...... The reason I'm being cryptic is because I don't want to make a prediction and deal with people screaming at me because I don't need this toxicity in my life anymore. But if you really want to know.. I feel like Bungie has made a clear decision to not try to be "all things to all people" anymore, they've made a deliberate choice on "what kind of players they want playing their game" and that they don't care if that causes them to loose players as long as they retain the players they're interested in, and all I can do is watch the player statistics and hope to see signs they've made the right decision. I'm not placing a prediction, or giving odds on how it will turn out, I just hope that when the dust settles, the game will be better off for it. Maybe it will be... As I said, most people didn't have time to mess with this event until the weekend, I am fully expecting to see no less than 700 to 750 k, and possibly much higher. That will be a good sign they made the right decision.[/quote] There is no way it cracks 700k. Even if it did it’s not going to stay at 700k.

[quote]There is no way it cracks 700k. Even if it did it’s not going to stay at 700k.[/quote] I do think it's possible Saturday could have hit 750 k. I'll see in a few hours. Sunday being mothers day? Probably less than Saturday. It won't be a sustained player hike but if it indicates Bungie's pushing in the right direction, it might see numbers stay in the 500 to 550 k area.... I'll be honestly a bit worried if it doesn't at lest hit 650k peak on Saturday. I'm a little concerned about Opulence because I have a feeling that it's literally just a raid... And I'm not sure "just a raid" will tide people over until September. However the way that they've been showing swords in all the media leading up to it, and in fact the feature character is depicted with a sword... It does give me hope that swords are getting a rework given that... And you may disagree, they have been somewhat underperforming since shotguns became the meta both pvp and pve...

[quote][quote]There is no way it cracks 700k. Even if it did it’s not going to stay at 700k.[/quote] I do think it's possible Saturday could have hit 750 k. I'll see in a few hours. Sunday being mothers day? Probably less than Saturday. It won't be a sustained player hike but if it indicates Bungie's pushing in the right direction, it might see numbers stay in the 500 to 550 k area.... I'll be honestly a bit worried if it doesn't at lest hit 650k peak on Saturday. I'm a little concerned about Opulence because I have a feeling that it's literally just a raid... And I'm not sure "just a raid" will tide people over until September. However the way that they've been showing swords in all the media leading up to it, and in fact the feature character is depicted with a sword... It does give me hope that swords are getting a rework given that... And you may disagree, they have been somewhat underperforming since shotguns became the meta both pvp and pve...[/quote] We won’t know till Monday, but sure. I think there is no way we get all the players that played Friday, plus all the players who played Saturday, plus another 200k. Highly unlikely. Doesn’t matter since they won’t stay anyway. The daily players for the entire annual pass have been abysmal, and more stuff ships broken than fun.

Well, my predictive analytics are based on having consistently seen a roughly 150k to 200k upsurge on weekends that is usually absent during the week since player figures started declining, and am basing it on the surge of additional players during the early days of this quest being available. So 540k on Friday equals 700k to 750k on Saturday... But you are correct, it's pointless to debate as it won't be continuing past the next week or two, was just explaining where I got the number from. I don't think most people are trying for the catalyst which is what will really keep people engaged as the quest goes.. The pass has definitely felt like a let down to me but that's life right? Sometimes things pay off, sometimes they don't...

[quote]Well, my predictive analytics are based on having consistently seen a roughly 150k to 200k upsurge on weekends that is usually absent during the week since player figures started declining, and am basing it on the surge of additional players during the early days of this quest being available. So 540k on Friday equals 700k to 750k on Saturday... But you are correct, it's pointless to debate as it won't be continuing past the next week or two, was just explaining where I got the number from. I don't think most people are trying for the catalyst which is what will really keep people engaged as the quest goes.. The pass has definitely felt like a let down to me but that's life right? Sometimes things pay off, sometimes they don't...[/quote] Here are the numbers for the annual pass from the beginning to arc week: SUN 12 02 18 - PVE 1.3M - PVP 952K* MON 12 03 18 - PVE 1.1M - PVP 835K* TUE 12 04 18 - Not recorded Season of the Forge Launch, Forge 1 WED 12 05 18 - PVE 1.4M - PVP 920K* THU 12 06 18 - PVE 1.2M - PVP 877K* FRI 12 07 18 - PVE 1.2M - PVP 899K* Forge 2, Raid Released SAT 12 08 18 - PVE 903K - PVP 630K* SUN 12 09 18 - DTR STOPS WORKING FOR THE DAY NO STATS REPORTED MON 12 10 18 - PVE 1M - PVP 697K* TUE 12 11 18 - Not recorded The Dawning Day 1 WED 12 12 18 - PVE 965k - PVP 704k* TUE 01 15 19 - PVE 889K - PVP 718k* FRI 01 25 19 - PVE 759k - PVP 592k* SAT 01 26 19 - PVE 838K - PVP 615k* SUN 01 27 19 - PVE 824k - PVP 608K* MON 01 28 19 - PVE 694K - PVP 551K* TUE 01 29 19 - PVE 820k - PVP 652k* The Last Word Quest launch WED 01 30 19 - PVE 901k - PVP 737k* THU 01 31 19 - PVP 841k - PVP 687k* FRI 02 01 19 - PVE 814k - PVP 658k* SAT 02 02 19 - PVE 888k - PVP 707K* SUN 02 03 19 - PVE 883K - PVP 698k* MON 02 04 19 - PVE 712K - PVP 557k* TUE 02 05 19 - PVE 676k - PVP 558k* Crimson Days WED 02 07 19 - PVE 629k - PVP 507k* THU 02 08 19 - PVE 637k - PVP 507K* This is the day I learned about guardian.gg and DTR tracking Gambit twice. FRI 02 09 19 - PVE 724k - PVP 268K See what a differnece taking the gambit games out of the PVP tracking and leaving it in the PVE tracking makes. SAT 02 10 19 - PVE 708k - PVP 335k SUN 02 11 19 - PVE 572k - PVP 336k MON 02 12 19 - PVE 617k - PVP 249k TUE 02 13 19 - PVE 640k - PVP 337k WED 02 14 19 - PVE 585k - PVP 411k THU 02 15 19 - PVE 603k - PVP 411k FRI 02 16 19 - PVE 682k - PVP 357k SAT 02 17 19 - PVE 671k - PVP 379k SUN 02 18 19 - PVE 593k - PVP 380k MON 02 19 19 - PVE 570K - PVP 380k TUE 02 20 19 - PVE 556k - PVP 345k WED 02 21 19 - PVE 534K - PVP 315k THU 02 22 19 - PVE 535k - PVP 305k FRI 02 23 19 - PVE 602k - PVP 303K SAT 02 24 19 - PVE 601K - PVP 303k SUN 02 25 19 - PVE 480k - PVP 312k MON 02 26 19 - PVE 483k - PVP 252k TUE 02 27 19 - PVE 469k - PVP 242k WED 02 28 19 - PVE 463k - PVP 191K** THU 03 01 19 - PVE 516k - PVP 227K FRI 03 02 19 - PVE 606K - PVP 227k SAT 03 03 19 - PVE 606k - PVP 280k SUN 03 04 19 - PVE 509k - PVP 268k TUE 03 05 19 - PVE 563k - PVP 213k Season 6 launch, Gambit Prime, Reckoning T1 THU 03 06 19 - PVE 457k** - PVP 234k FRI 03 07 19 - PVE 646k - PVP 319k SAT 03 08 19 - PVE 677k - PVP 301k Reckoning T2 SUN 03 09 19 - PVE 771k - PVP 302k MON 03 10 19 - PVE 770k - PVP 302K SUN 03 11 19 - PVE 651k - PVP 412k MON 03 12 19 - PVE 727k - PVP 291k Thorn/Allegance quest TUE 03 13 19 - PVE 757k - PVP 361k WED 03 14 19 - PVE 697k - PVP 361k THU 03 15 19 - PVE 741k - PVP 436k Invitations of the 9/Reckoning T3 FRI 03 16 19 - PVE 805k - PVP 382k SAT 03 17 19 - PVE 768k - PVP 400k SUN 03 18 19 - PVE 650k - PVP 434k MON 03 19 19 - PVE 645k - PVP 370k TUE 03 20 19 - Not recorded WED 03 21 19 - PVE 579k - PVP 296k THU 03 22 19 - PVE 653k - PVP 314k FRI 03 24 19 - PVE 732k - PVP 346k SAT 03 25 19 - PVE 576k - PVP 338k SUN 03 26 19 - PVE 570k - PVP 319k MON 03 27 19 - PVE 560k - PVP 386k TUE 03 28 19 - PVE 538k - PVP 412k WED 03 29 19 - PVE 571k - PVP 379k THU 03 30 19 - PVE 649k - PVP 396k FRI 03 31 19 - PVE 649k - PVP 440k SAT 04 01 19 - PVE 526k - PVP 417k SUN 04 02 19 - not recorded MON 04 03 19 - not recorded TUE 04 04 19 - PVE 538k - PVP 322k THU 04 05 19 - PVE 515k - PVP 273k FRI 04 05 19 - PVE 538k - PVP 253k SAT 04 06 19 - PVE 652k - PVP 261k SUN 04 07 19 - PVE 631k - PVP 322k Doesn’t really support what you’re saying. If you want Wheelaa1 is an amazing player who gives us an archive of daily player rates everyday for years. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/242900121?page=0&sort=0&showBanned=0&path=0 All weekends are different, but often the population is lower on the weekend than it was during days of the week.

Fair. Either way, I've been at work 16 hours and my shift is about to end. They told me I could be anything I wanted (on my down shift) So I am going to become unconscious.

[quote]Fair. Either way, I've been at work 16 hours and my shift is about to end. They told me I could be anything I wanted (on my down shift) So I am going to become unconscious.[/quote] Lol, get that well deserved rest 😎👍

You were right.

It doesn’t bring me any pleasure to have been right, I want the game to thrive not barely survive. 619k pve isn’t terrible for a day during the Annual Pass era. Most days are in the 400-500k range.

I was just conceding the point. I do acknowledge when reality differs from my expectations. I feel it's important to acknowledge when you're wrong. Far too many people are unwilling to concede a point to the unfortunate realities that interfere. Humility is hard to embrace and it tests me daily to release my preconceived notions when facts do not bear out. Sometimes it's harder than others.