Yeah no. Where did all the people go after 3 weeks of D2? Lost a lot of friends from the red war.

I like casuals.

By most destiny standards I’m a filthy casual. On the other hand, because I look after my cores etc, I’m often called a no-lifer. They are both pointless labels for the player in middle ground. A casual is really someone who barely knows what they’re doing, has basic weapons etc. A “no lifer” is a streamer or probably young guardian with no commitments other than shooting aliens or other guardians. In-between that is a huge middle ground of just “people playing their way” I’m somewhere around dead centre, so effectively both depending which side you’re looking at me from 🤷‍♂️

I don’t hate casuals. In fact, they’re the reason why I like this community because they remind me that games are fun and that this is a game that we play FOR FUN. You don’t need a community to make you believe that there’s only one way to enjoy the game because we play this game FOR ENJOYMENT AND MENTAL PLEASURE.

I'm not religious on the least but some things seem to prove themselves out over time. You reap what you sow... or and in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make... Point being, crucible lakes its' own bed. Crucible need to look in a mirror.

first off you have flawed logic because if casuals wanted to be better they would actually heed the advice of all the people that speak to them respectfully and apply that. look at all the trends look at what everyone's mad at for the week look at how people speak to them respectfully and show them how it's not that big of a deal and look at how how the players lash out at them. if you want people to speak to one another respectfully then the casuals constantly complaining will need to actually shut up, think for a second, change the verbiage, make more intelligible arguments and open their minds a bit when receiving feedback. that right there is about 80% of the issue here is that there is no compromise from people who feel victimized. there is a plethora of people who say they want the game to be easier for them so they can get the same rewards for doing less this is in fact true. 17 to 18% of people actually did Leviathan raid do not tell me by this point when you're above 400 that the casuals are doing Leviathan raid right now because the numbers did not increase when they're light level far superseded the raid requirement. I have 96 people in my clan and 30% of them joined because they had no one to raid with. they said this because they don't have friends or they don't socialize or they don't feel like they need to work with anybody. you honestly cannot generalize the casual demographic with the same reasoning and try to be super optimistic that these people are actually willing to play and neither can I sit here and be pessimistic and say none of them want to play. I don't want to generalize this audience. Unfortunately though if 30% of my clan have answers like this I am sure there are other clans that have players that get on don't interact with anybody don't even talk to the clan leader and a complain that they don't know what to do. When given answers and great advice on how to be successful in the game, it somehow incites a lash out and brings about complaints that "we don't understand them"? this isn't trying to understand what it's like to be a Hispanic or Asian or an African American in America or in any other country where they may feel oppressed. this is a goddamn video game where your input determines what you're going to get out of it. [i] this is what we are tired of.[/i] I come on here to help educate people. I play the game to enjoy it and the company of those I interact with and new people as well. We say to everyone who complains to shut up. That means stop talkin, calm down, take a step back, alter your verbiage, and have it intelligible argument on what you believe is broken in the game and why. People do not do this they rant and complain and do not provide Solutions for the sake of the discussion. What ends up happening is that they sound like triggered psychiatric patients. this is insane okay? This is a video game where are not discussing politics or the lack of clean water food and shelter. For the love of God stop trying to White knight people and take a look at what the bigger picture is. understand there is a reason why there is such ferocity at all the complainers.

So it's OK when casuals call people who get stuff they can't "sweaty no life neckbeard fanboy"?

Lol casuals don't grind raids, nightfalls, pinnacle weapons etc. Those are the actions of a real gamer. Casuals log on for 30min play a strike or 2 than bitch about how they don't have any exotics or God rolls and call the game crap.

The Hatred for people by other people in the World is absolutely Disgusting.

I think the hatred is directed towards the hardcores tbh

Oh here we go... i don’t see myself as a casual because i play like at least 4 hours a day... still haven’t done a raid yet (oh no) but SOME people will always be dicks no matter what you do in games... Only funny thing about your post is the part that with other games it’s all better?? Dude with ALL games players act like this to casual players... i find it actualy not as bad in Destiny... 🤷🏻‍♂️

I’m sorry if us hard cores are rude at times we are in love with destiny and for many of us it’s a actual hobby we all went through so much emotion scaring dealing with a vanilla with no content and then getting hyped for the worst dlc in the games history now we finally have a system in the game which means you don’t get things for months and I’m sorry if you don’t like it we the core players who have played through the good and the bad love the game and are here to stay and if bungie stops giving us what we want we have to move on

Buying a 60$ does not entitle you to everything a game has to offer. Paying that money does not mean you should experience everything with ease. It should always come with a learning curve and those willing to invest time. That simple. As long as it's about a "Power Fantasy" it will always be a problem balancing the experience.