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Editado por Skip:
10/29/2018 6:50:02 PM
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"Balance" for Hunters
For starters, let's just take an in-depth look at the one eyed mask, shall we? So, at it's core, the mask has 3 functions in one; tracking through walls, damage boost, overshield. Now, let's look at a Hunter helmet exotic that recently got "balanced", that bring Wormhusk. Now at ITS core, Wormhusk accomplishes one task, heal the player once they dodge... that's it.
Now I get that the whole "Bungie hates Hunters" stigma is a bit of a meme, but in all honesty, I wouldn't put it past them, no offense but Hunters are severly lacking in the power department. Now the one argument EVERYONE makes is that "Hunters are too powerful because they have a panic super" and in all honesty, as a Hunter main, sure, it sucks being panic supered, but we've all been there. Not to mention EVERY class has a panic super now, but do you know what not every class DOES have? A OHK ability besides their super, actually one class in particular doesn't have this ability, Hunters. So might I ask why? Why is it so hard to simply up our abilities? Look at throwing knives, the most piss poor melee ability in Destiny for PVP where even a headshot explosive knife doesn't break shields. So again I ask, why? Why can't Hunters have an exotic like the one eyed mask? Why don't Hunters have a OHK ability like Warlocks and Titans? Why are Hunters the most hated and bashed on?
Never have I seen such disposition towards a class since the sunbreaker for Titans was introduced in TTK, and I just want to know why. So, I am going to ask YOU, I want YOUR response, the person reading this. I don't care if you hate Hunters or love them, I just want an answer.
So far from the comments I have concluded this:
- Hunters are too fast and agile for other classes to keep up
- Everyone plays Hunter therefore it's the most powerful
- Hunters should be the only class lacking a OHK
- Dodge is too strong
(Keep in mind, I am asking for an actual response, my post is not satire as I wish for an actual answer)
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I see what your are saying but they don’t need to be changed. The reason hunters are like this is because of how mobile they are. You can slide and jump around and finesse everyone. Thats why there are many of them at high levels. Hunters are a skill gap for this game. Thats why I dont use anything but Void hunter. Everyone gets finessed unless your Harriet Tubman OneSecond kill or AlmostShivs
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3 RespuestasTheres a differance between blad barrage and other painc supers. im not saying that a nova or fist of panic is hard to hit, but blade barrage is easy on a whole other level. It has a really big blast radius, only beaten by thunderstrike. But the fact that you can shot it in multiple directions and that it has ridicolus range is what makes it op. Can a fist of panic be shot across the map? No. Can it be done with nova? Yes, with a lot of luck. Can it be done with blade barrage? -blam!- yeah just look in their general direction and pop your super. In other words, people hate you guys for a reason. End of story.
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2 RespuestasStopped at hunters have a panic super, reason? Shoulder charge/fist of havoc, nova bomb/warp, and when hunters get a panic super there seen as op? My ass
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17 RespuestasIf hunters are so underpowered and lacking in ability, they would not be the most played class in the game. People would stay away from them. I feel like going into the crucible using my hunter always felt like easy mode. For some reason they’re just better. And now, with panic knives, they can’t be OHKd when they super. Plus you can do melee damage (not melee kills) and regain health. Always felt like hunter melee was better too. Faster but just as potent.
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17 RespuestasBest super, best mobility and abilities, most used class for some reason right nerd? One Eyed isn’t even a problem, but I remember Wormhusk... Stop crying, Titans are the least used in PvP and PvE. Your class is good, very good.
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2 RespuestasWhen you were dogging on One eyed mask I was right there with yah but as soon as you started victim carding about your Hunter I was not. Blade barrage I argue is the best super in the game. It pisses all over Nova Bomb and acts as the following. An instant shut down against any other super. A panic attack that kills whoever you are afraid of as well as everyone else. Can not (well I haven't seen it) be countered . Destroys a Titan shield and the people inside. Has insane tracking. Best mobility in the game. If Titans and Warlocks had triple or double jump Hunters would be dead. Still have great exotics. Are most used class in top tier PVP, ask yourself why?
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2 RespuestasThe slide-uppercut should be a one-hit if you physically hit them with the stick.
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29 RespuestasI played a 6 man game yesterday where one hunter got 6 supers due to shards of galanor. Usually most players would be looking at 1-2. Hunters have more than enough OP nonsense just the same as the other classes.
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1 RespuestaHunter only have two panic supers whereas titans and warlocks have a panic super for ever subclass except well of radiance.
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7 RespuestasEditado por DoctorMcCoy1701: 10/30/2018 7:52:17 PMHunters are supposed to have a high skill ceiling, which is why so many people think they need buffs. Hunters are fine where they are. There is a reason the vast majority of the Top 1% of players are Hunters; the movement. That class is the ONLY one that has a controllable, instantly rewardable jump. Warlocks and Titans have to spam the button to get any sort of use out of it, while Hunters only need to press it once. It gives them aerial superiority, which is the defining factor in most top-tier gunfights; especially with shotguns.
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9 RespuestasIf hunters were so weak, why does everyone in competitive and quickplay run blade barrage or arc staff even void hunters? If they were bad you wouldn’t see a lot of them but that’s not the case. I’m pretty sure bungie has statistics of hunters being the overpowered class and when they see you kids wanting buffs they scratch their head and say y’all must be really bad Lmfaoooo get good scrub. Plus you only have 5k pvp kills you don’t even play the game.
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My titan is faster than my hunter. I die using dodge plenty, it has no damage reduction/prevention. Theyre used alot but i assume its because armour looks better. What 'panic' super do they have? Titans smash warlocks novabomb. Hunters JUST got their first panic super. Blade barrage. And it already got nerfed. Its simply titans' hammers all at once rather than a roaming super you can aim.
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As a crucible tryhard Hunter with shards of galanor I'm feeling pretty op right now 😎
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4 RespuestasHonestly coming from a hunter main for the most part, they're ok right now. Dont need any buffs bugs lol, we have dodge so that in my opinion compensates for no one hit abilities excluding supers.
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I'm totally fine with my wall hacks...but I play both titan and hunter. Titans might have a 1 hit melee, but it LITERALLY the only thing they have, hunters have a shit ton of stuff.
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Hunters are fine where they are at, especially on console, they can just jump over your head, crane neck you and then your dead. not entirely certain what OHK ability hunters would get, however throwing knives do need a buff, as for exotics (PvP) warlocks have 2 options, a nudered ophidian aspects that don’t even grant quick draw and transverseve steps which makes you a little faster, all the others are far to situational, hunters have foetracer, dragons shadow, Stompee5, frostee5, and wormhusk.
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Hunters are fine. It is what it is.
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2 RespuestasThere's a reason all the majority of top 1% players use hunters. The way they move makes it hard for the other classes to keep up with them
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-unpredictable movement and very quick change of vertical direction -dodge isn't OP but they people saying it's bad aren't using it well -Stompies are extremely powerful and lend themselves very well to this meta -Blade Barrage and Nova Warp are in a tier of their own when it comes to Supers, they're both mind-numbingly easy to use with consistent 9/10 results -seems that more players want to be an edgy loner than a someone who hasn't left the library for 27 years or a brick that can travel horizontally at Mach 4 -every class has its one-tricks and players with a deluded idea of what balance is, it just appears that more "Huntards", as they can be called, have found their way into the Forums In all seriousness, though, the common request is that Tripmines and/or Throwing Knives become OHKOs and I don't think either should get that status. Mostly because they'd apply to the entire subclass, not just one branch of it. Compared to the two existing OHKOs, Tripmine would beat Handheld Supernova due to not being limited to short range or spotty hit detection, and Throwing Knives wouldn't require the user to be in any danger to reap the rewards - plus on two branches the knives could be easily chained without the use of an Exotic. Anyway, just my ramblings and opinions that will, and should, in all likelihood be ignored.
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13 RespuestasWormhusk was nerfed because it was a get out of jail free card, one eyed mask requires you to win a gunfight where an enemy got the drop on you, which is a lot harder than just spamming dodge.
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6 RespuestasHunters can get wall hacks too no exotic required. As for the damage and shield boost it does you know require you to take damage and with how noobcannons and shotguns are running rampart in PvP the TTK is extremely fast making that seldom a issue. On top of the fact I haven't seen a titan wearing it despite it being so OP as you are putting it and Hunters are still the most dominate class in pvp.
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2 RespuestasAs a diehard top 1% hunter main: hunters have the highest skill ceiling of any class in the game. This is why a large number of the best players play hunter, they are able to unlock that maximum potential. If a team of average hunters played a team of average warlocks and titans, the hunter team would get shit on. The abilities are not what makes hunter the best class, it's the movement and a bad or even above average player cannot fully master the movement so they are left with the mostly lackluster abilities. Bad to above average warlocks and titans, on the other hand, have a wealth of fairly straightforward abilities that they are perfectly capable of using. However, when they match a really good hunter, all of their abilities will effectively be neutralized (if the skill difference is large enough of course). You should watch ninja_with_no_L's video on hunter movement but in a very specific and brief summary: hunters have the most options for instant directional change both in the ground and in midair. I find both the one eyed mask and the furiosas to be very irritating to play against but, even if I had those exotics, I still wouldn't switch to titan because my hunter movement (which btw I've been learning since the dark below, I'm not a prodigy or anything) feels like an exotic to me. Also, I don't have to deal with any exotics in sweats so that's cool. Note: you should still balance you team comp appropriately (i.e. Don't run 3 hunters). From the sweats I've played in the past few days it seems like titan-warlock-hunter and warlock-hunter-hunter are your best options. Hope this helps
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2 RespuestasEditado por The Guy: 10/30/2018 6:17:18 AMWelp first wornhusk crowd was very strong that is why it had to be nerf, but I do agreed that hunters still have the most boring, unimaginative, weak exotic armor in the game. For example take the new chest piece that only gives you a second dodge. yes if you are good at using the dodge it will hold a lot of value, but only if you are GOOD with the dodge. Second you miss the fact that 3 path nightstalker is to complicated for PvP ( it also suffers from arc strider syndrome, where it has hit registration problems and is too slow), nutrual game for the 3 path arc strider sucks, top three gunslinger super is kinda still sucky, arc strider still has hit registration problem and in my opinion still too slow, and the fact that nightstalker (which is supposed to be THE shutdown super) is the worse shutdown super in the game. For those saying "is the most used class" it doesn't indicate anything about the class power, there's other factors that come in play like the fact that they are the most cool looking class; yes they may be used in higher PvP but that is mostly the skill of the player not the class power. as for blade borage it is the SUPER it self that is really strong, the mid game is non existent. If hunter was to ever get an OHK ability is has to be the 3 path melee in arc strider just reduced the Rande by alot and there you go. (It has to be this one because it requires you to SLIDE WHILE SPRINTING!! It needs the buff)
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Wormhusk nerf was a bit harsh imo. With shotguns being the new meta in PvP, you'll still get 1-shot more often than not.
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Throwing knives have always been piss weak. I used to use them to good effect in D1 with the first curse but I agree. Just take away the random ass tracking, and give us OHK knives.
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20 RespuestasHonestly man, Hunters are shifty little creatures. They have dodges as an innate ability in their class. The room for outplaying with a hunter is way above the other classes. Hunters have a jump that is, Imo, better than the others. A good hunter is most likely going to outplay a good titan or warlock because of their strong neutral game. Thats my 2 cents lol.
