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10/9/2018 6:20:32 AM
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This guy has destroyed everyone I can't even tell which side he's on. But good for him for going against abortion. I don't usually pay attention to political posts but abortion is a problem I actually pay attention to.
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I read through all the comments to you and I want to say a few things. First, I think your point of view is fine, abortion does leave mental scars on most women. It is about personal choice. Next, abortion should not be used because women don't want to stop a dude from wearing a condom or take birth control pills. Also, adoption is not a viable thing here. It is insanely expensive and stupidly restrictive. I do have experience with adoption, my friends are unable to have kids, both are infertile, which is one hell of a coincidence. They make good money, she works from home teaching music and would have plenty of time. They are stable, the house is paid for, both cars are paid for, etc. They have been repeatedly denied, even though there is no reason to deny them. Also, it is prohibitively expensive. That is we people go to other countries to adopt, it is less then a 10th of what it costs here. Another thing, if people were able to get assistance easily, they might be more willing to keep the child. Sadly, you can't be anti-abortion and anti-welfare, it doesn't work. I mean you can, but that is like saying you are against motorcycles, but then ride a trike...... Finally, the whole reason it became legal was so that women would not drink things like Penny Royal Tea, beat themselves in the stomach to cause a miscarriage or seek a back alley doctor to remove the fetus. Mind you, I say these things just to give you something to think about, not to argue or fight. I personally think you have to do what is right for you.
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Is it really that hard for an adoption?
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Sadly, yes. It is much easier to br a foster parent and they get paid. It is almost as if they designed every aspect of the system to fail.
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Of course it is. Why would they make it easy for children to get in a good home? Do you know about that thing where they take the egg and the sperm and give it to another host? That just seems foreign and weird, so I'm not sure if I'd like it, and I'd also want to have my own child. But I guess I shouldn't ruin it for Kyle either. I kinda already did.
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Yeah, my friends were going to do that until their tests came back as both being infertile. How did you ruin anything?
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I was an idiot and got mine cut. He wants children, and I kinda want them too, but I can't find a doctor who wants to attempt to fix it.
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You made a decision that was right for you at the time you made it, so do not beat yourself up or put yourself down for it. If you are both open to adoption, there are options open to you. You can go through an adoption attorney, which is supposed to make things easier. You can also look for a young woman (girl), who is pregnant and does not want the baby, but does not want an abortion either. You typically pay all the medical bills and take care of her during the pregnancy. You also need a lawyer for that, as the father can block that at the last minute.
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How is it a problem.
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It's murder you can get away with. Everyone deserves to live accident or not. If you can't take care of the baby then put it up for adoption, but don't take away a child's right to live
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First of all, there is the whole concept of bodily autonomy. Second, it’s not murder, until the fetus can live independently of the mother, it’s just another parasite, which can be removed without being murder. Third, do you know how stupid your argument is? Just putting it up for adoption is possibly the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard on this forum, and I’ve seen Echo Sierra posts.
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People that have had abortions don't enjoy it. They don't go into a clinic thinking "it's just a little parasite that needs to be removed" having an abortion sticks with you. I've seen people say it all the time. It messes you up. Not everyone kills a child and comes out fine and dandy. There's always a thought of "what if I had let it survive?" And women that don't have that thought aren't human. It goes against our natural instincts. Why wouldn't putting it up for adoption be alright? What about all those women who can't take care of a kid but don't want to see it destroyed? Plus, abortion is a legal option even when the fetus has grown some. You say it's not murder. If it is a living human, it is. Who are you to judge who gets the live and who gets to die.
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Um, I don’t get to choose who lives and dies. But neither do you get to choose who gets to have abortions. Of course abortions stick with you, you are actually deciding wether or not to have a child. Nice of you to just generalize a whole group of people as not-human. If you think getting an abortion is tough, then think about putting it up for adoption. You are literally giving someone else your child. You’ve gone through a nine-month experience of supporting what will become your child. Then you have to give it to someone else. It is an incredibly hard thing to do. If the fetus cannot survive without the host giving it nutrients, it is a parasite, that’s the whole defenition of a parasite.
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Editado por Girraffalope: 10/9/2018 6:42:24 PMWhy should we let people get away with killing a baby? What if they could see the future of that baby, what if they could see everything that they could be, would they still go through with terminating it? No, of course they wouldn't. Not everyone is ready to be a mother, but that doesn't mean just because you can't handle a kid, it should cease to exist. If you can't have a kid, should it: A: Just die B: Go to a family that will love and take care of it. Sure giving up a child is hard, but killing it is harder. No matter what anyone says, it's inhumane, it's wrong, it's a living human. Would you kill an 1 year old baby? No. So why would you kill a baby that has just been conceived? They're both babies, they're both living, the only difference is that one is older than the other. Why kill an innocent child when you could alternately send it somewhere it would be loved?
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You’re not killing a baby, you’re killing a parasite. It is not ceasing to exist, it just never will exist. By your logic, masturbation should be illegal. Think of al the great things that those sperm could have become. Just because you want to feel good doesn’t mean you should cut short the life of an unborn child.
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... Okay then, how about this, your argument is if it cannot function in its own it is not a life but a parasite, so, there is a 15 year old kid on life support, in I guess he's a parasite, let's just kill him, he can't function on his own, therefore making him not a life... [spoiler]not included in the DLC[/spoiler]
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There is a difference between being a mechanical parasite, and an actual, biological parasite.
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... Yes, but once again, your argument was that if it can't support itself it's not a life, so then I have then right to kill anyone on life support... [spoiler]not included in the DLC[/spoiler]
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It is a parasite that is a human. By you definition of a parasite, it is also a living thing, that is the offspring of humans, and therefore, a child. Sperm is not a living child until it is joined with a women's egg. That is completely different. It isn't a human yet, it's just cells, but that parasite is a human. It is a baby, and though it's not independently living, it will given a few weeks.
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But the potential of the sperm! It could end up being a baby! Look, if you don’t want to get an abortion, that’s cool. But you don’t get to decide what billions of women get to do
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What about men? Are men allowed to kill babies? No, so women shouldn't either. Unless it is No i rd wit an egg, sperm is nothing but a cell. It does not have the potential to become a child in its own, and isn't important. You're not killing babies every time you ejaculate, but you are with abortion
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Human fetus’s are nothing but a cluster of cells for a while. Also, if men carry the baby, they can decide to have an abortion, but I’ve never seen someone get an abortion without consulting the father first.
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A living cluster of cells that are a human baby. That's like saying it's okay to kill a full grown person What I'm saying, is that if someone who isn't carrying a baby can't kill a baby, then someone with a baby growing inside their womb shouldn't be able to kill a baby either
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[quote]First of all, there is the whole concept of bodily autonomy. Second, it’s not murder, until the fetus can live independently of the mother, it’s just another parasite, which can be removed without being murder. Third, do you know how stupid your argument is? Just putting it up for adoption is possibly the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard on this forum, and I’ve seen Echo Sierra posts.[/quote] You were a "parasite" at some point and who is to say it is only a person when it lives independently of its mom, I know 30 year olds living at home depending on their mother
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You made a great argument for abortion
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Man, I haven't seen you in awhile, I was actually thinking about sending you a message to see if everything was all right.
