The "Forced" PVP is really becoming a problem. Bungie needs to stop dancing around the topic & downright address it. If they want Destiny to be a PVP focused game then they need to grow a pair & commit to it. Blizzard did this with Overwatch by outright telling people: "Overwatch is Team Based PVP Hero Shooter game. We will not be implementing PVE. If you desire PVE there are other games out there for you." While this upset many. I clapped for Blizzard because they outright told the playerbase what Overwatch is & how it shall remain. In the end it helped gamers know if the game was right for them. Bioware has done this with Anthem when they announced that Anthem will not have PVP. "Anthem will not have PVP at launch or in the near future. We wish to focus on developing compelling stories, Cooperative Encounters, & unique gameplay experiences. Currently we feel PVP would distract too many resources & might upset the PVE environment we're building for players of all playstyles." Once again, many were upset. However Anthem straight up said they want to focus on PVE. IF you want PVP then Anthem is not for you. Good on them. Now, if Bungie wants to Destiny to be PVP focused then they should come out & say it. Destiny 2 was built from the ground up for PVP originally. The static rolls, the Dual Primary system, the locked Class trees with very little synergy, the (still) inclusion of PVP on nearly every quest & the majority of bounties, the PVP inclusion into Gambit, etc. If Bungie wants Destiny to go PVP then commit. Yes they'll lose the PVE players, but once Destiny is established as a PVP IP it will draw in PVP players. On the flipside...if Bungie wants Destiny to be the PVE & PVP game then Bungie HAS TO STOP forcing gameplay modes on its players. Forcing PVP on PVE players does NOT make PVE players want to play PVP. It makes them resent it & creates a toxic playerbase (which is where we are now). Many PVP players say Bungie isn't forcing you. By the laws of free will, yes this is true. But if: The majority/all Clan Bounties are PVP, the majority of Exotic & Regular Quests require PVP, most dropped bounties (dismantle) are PVP, Triumphs require a PVP progression to continue, & etc. Then Bungie IS actually forcing PVP because it has become a impassable roadblock. Progression has not be throttled it's been 100% stifled. That is not acceptable. The end result is that BOTH PVE & PVP players are unhappy. PVP players get stuck in games where their teammates are "throwing the game" & "leaving constantly". This creates a toxic & unfun environment. To be fair it is not the PVE player's fault. They just want to complete the quest/bounty then leave. They mean no malice towards PVP players but it comes across that way. Think of it like this: If you are asked/ask your kid/roommate to either: Mow the Lawn or Wash the Dishes; you/they will choose the option that appeals to you/them & be content. If you/they are told to Mow the Lawn or Mow the Lawn; then you/they will scalp the lawn. Why? Because you/they are begrudgingly doing it. They don't "[i]have[/i]" to mow it but they will because they need to keep living with you. This seriously needs to stop. If Bungie wants to gain & keep new players then this needs to change. If Bungie wants to regain lost players then these habits need to change. PVE & PVP players should unite on these fronts. Look, Destiny is about to have competition from all sides & right now it's the weaker product. Anthem, Division 2, Warframe, & more with be launching/updating with brand new content in 2019. Right now, Destiny's reputation is horrible. Yes, Forsaken was a Miracle of an Exapnsion & its damn good. But it's a hard sell after an entire year of negative press. We all know D3 is now in full sail development. How is D3 going to compete when Bungie keeps making the same mistakes & won't rectify them? When the competition is saying: "We're Listening." then actually acts on what they hear & avoid repeating the same mistakes in sequels & updates then it makes their product more appealing. Right now, Destiny took 1 year to "act" upon feedback, but it still has the same stigmas that has plagued it since Destiny 1 & these stigmas are still part of all that feedback. Sorry for the rant but this has really bothered me. I have 6 people are work who are preaching that Forsaken has "fixed" Destiny 2 & I constantly see them grow demoralized because the folks who have an interest in returning are turned off by the stigmas that currently plague Forsaken. From Character progression locked behind the raid, to forced PVP, to soft caps, lack of matchmaking for endgame, & etc. They want the fun game they played together 2 years ago (Rise of Iron I suppose.) Also they feel like they'd be playing just to have a bad time again.

They completely messed up the clan stuff. It takes forever to get that full 100% for the clan powerful Engram. Another thing that was working fine so bungie decided to break it. Just like the infusion economy. They make make some amazing changes with the weapons and stuff then they do stupid things like the masterwork infusion cost. Seriously they always go from one extreme to the next.

Yes this shit is ridiculous. Week one of Foresaken was the first week I haven’t contributed my Clan XP since this game dropped. I don’t mind the bounties but we should be able to earn Clan XP through game play. The should have reduced the points awarded from regular activities and added the bounties as an added incentive. This would have let everyone still progress and still encourage Clan activities. Clans should be left to our own organizing. My Clan has no problem with Guardians who are not comfortable with certain game modes/activities, as long as we stay active all is good. A Guardian should contribute in anyway they can, not be forced into anything. As a PvE main, I want it to be known that I am NOT in opposition to PvP being attached to certain activities or quests. Just not forced on our Clans as the only means for points.

What they need to do if they're going to keep the bounty system is get rid of the REQUIREMENT to play certain activities in clan bounties. Don't make PvP bounties, those belong on the crucible vendor. Don't make PvE bounties, those belong on the vanguard vendor. Don't make Gambit bounties, those belong on the Gambit vendor. Clan bounties should be general, so it doesn't matter what kind of activity a player chooses to play, they still progress. Clan bounties should be things like: Complete activities (this can be anything from strikes, to crucible, to Gambit, to adventures, etc) Kill enemies, with a percentage instead of number, where PvP kills are weighted more than PvE kills Complete bounties (daily bounty, any bounties from any vendor) Complete challenges (weekly bounty, any daily/weekly challenges) Any of the above with clan members This isn't a comprehensive list, but again, if we're keeping the bounties on the clan vendor (I still vote to revert to the old clan xp system, but add the above for gear instead of xp), then this is what makes sense. The clan vendor shouldn't care what activity you play, it (she) should care that you're playing activities with your clan.

I haven't redeemed my clan bounty since forsaken launched. It hasn't forced me into PVP, it has forced me to turn it off thatuch earlier and get back to playing Tomb raider or Spider Man. I play the way I want, not the way bungie wants me to. It's something bungie has always had a hard time understanding. Some of their design philosophies are flawed and they are too stubborn to change.

I heard that they were going to replace clan bounties for clan edge transits. It may be hear say though.

Make all bounties Equal for both pve and pvp,i'm an older gamer of 60.

Im an old gamer to but face it. Your just going to have to get used to pvp. Regardless of the bounties other than helping the clan. Use pvp to upgrade your gear. No matter how many kills you get or whatever PvP still drops some really good gear and weapons and the milestones are really relatively easy. Just go into Quickplay, complete 5 matches and your almost done with every crucible challenge for the week and you'll pick up some pretty cool sh--. Hit the Daily Quickplay and move on. Remember you will still get your Clan rewards you just may not be able to help as much as before do to this new structure. Its definitely back to the grind for us casuals. And if you get any sh-- from PvP players for horrible crucible reputation like me, tell em to kiss your ever loving ass your doing what Bungie requires of you now and tell em to go whine to Bungie about it. Kill many and Die often my friend!

I think they are just trying to get more people into gambit and crucible, cause the more data they have the better they can make it. I anticipate them changing how the bounties work eventually. Just my theory.

I just miss the old way of getting experience through activities.

The PvP is as easy and casual as it gets all the best gear should be locked behind PvP

I officially gave up on Hawthorne yesterday. Went to visit her and there wasn't a single solo-able PVE bounty, so I guess I won't be completing her milestone this week. Heck, I might as well quit my Clan since it's practically dead.

I’m a PvP player and don’t wanna do strikes for my my weekly engram, I do them tho even if It’s boring as hell. People are subjected to both aspects of the game. You might as well get over it and play the easy bounty’s.