What people in this community need to understand is that [b][u]Ease of use does not mean overpowered![/u][/b] Let’s put it in fighting game terms. I’ll use Street Fighter 5 for reference... Ryu (Sleeper) is a good solid all around character that is [b]easy to use.[/b] While on the other hand Necalli (in this case I’ll use Snipers) is more technical. Let two amateurs go at it and Ryu will win most of the time while the Necalli player blames everything else but his own mistakes. Now put two skilled players and Necalli will shut down the Ryu more times than not. See the point is there is a certain skill gap that needs to be overcome to be able to branch out to other characters (weapons). Naturally everyone will start off with what’s easy and some might stay with it cause of that. But easy doesn’t necessary mean better. Back to Destiny. A Sleeper is good yes. But it’s kinda useless to try and scope people when invading once they find you. (WHICH ISNT HARD TO DO). Remember it not only tells you when the portals are open so you can prep. But there are a few select spawn points and it tells you when they are there and how much time they got left. It’s much easier to invade and use super to make sure you pick off who you need to pick off since the players with high motes will usually hide. To kill that player a proximity grenade launcher or Colony would be way more effective than a sleeper. The other argument is that it can melt bosses... so can the wannabe Black Hammer and it can one shot too. So can Wardcliff coil and that can one shot too. I can honestly keep going on but my point is made. Honestly all that needs to happen is simple. Don’t touch anything. Show people counters and let them adapt. This community is plagued with manchildren that whine about anything competitive and blame everything BUT their lack of skill. Let them whine... and let the rest of the adults enjoy Gambit in peace...

Just remove the PvP part from Gambit (and optionally from the game). Everything where even a tiny bit of PvP is involved turns into you know what around these parts.

I am absolutely furious that Bungie is planning a nerf to Sleeper. How many times have great PVE weapons been destroyed because of PVP? How many bleeping times has this happened? Why do we continually go down this road over and over again. Sleeper is a fantastic weapon and should be left the hell alone. I don't give a damn about Gambit the only time I ever play Gambit is for the daily/weekly challenges for powerful loot and once I hit max power I will likely never set foot in Gambit again. Stop screwing with PVE for the sake of PVP. Just stop. Look at your player count. Over twice as many people play PVE than PVP. Stop catering to PVP crybabies. PVE is the core of your game it always has been. Trials might have gotten the stream views back in D1 but it was ALWAYS the PVE community that made up the majority of your active player base. Do NOT nerf sleeper. Don't bleeping touch it.

Not up voting, blame your selves for abusing a gun. Now go cry me a river so i can piss in it.

They need a more advanced damage mitigation system for pvp. Ruining weapons in pve is not cool.

So I'm gonna tell you where bungie fails and where they been failing at for years. The simple fix for this is the same as when every one complained the Gally, or ice break was to over powerd. introduce 3 or 4 new weapons equally as powerful. That way people have choices to counter it. Balance in destiny should be like a fighter. There is always a character in game who is the perfect conter for another character you just have to find it. Bungie has this thing about making one or 2 super powerful weapons per game . Maybe 1 added every dlc. If they just gave us a shit ton of Uber powerful weapons to chase . No body would care. There would be something that could counter that gun

Just ban it from Gambit and leave it otherwise alone.

Sleeper isn't the problem. Having a quest that means most of your team-mates are trying to take down invading sleeper users with hand cannons is. They'll still be fish in a barrel to some other power weapon or super even if Sleeper is nerfed. Once the majority of your team-mates have completed the Ace of Spades quest and invaders are met with a hail of sleeper fire and supers rather than being plinked at with hand cannons a certain part of the problem would go away. A good fix to try for this issue in Gambit would be to make hand cannon kills count when you invade as well as when you defend. Then it'd be hand cannon equipped invaders trying to take down defending sleeper users...

Nerf it no gun should 1 shot on all areas of the body at all ranges when it's not scan. end of discussion. it's one thing in crucible but in gambit it's way to powerful and can shut an entire team Down in seconds

So was gambit worth getting sleeper deleted? Haven’t played it yet.