Congrats! You have officially wasted your own time writing a super long post that’s isn’t just stupid and wrong but also expose you for just being a salty turd.

Sorry if I'm not understanding correctly or something, but what advantage do blue mods give exactly? As far as I'm aware blue mods are useless unless you convert them to purple mods at 280 light. You only need 1 of each purple mod for that +5 light, which is kind of minimal right? You still need to play the game to earn gear for any of this to be useful. So, providing you are over 280 light, are you saying its pay 2 win because you could buy a bunch of blue mods, convert them into purple, add +5 light to slots that haven't got it yet (RNG based, many of my items have started with +5 purples), and then inch your light level forward slightly by adding between 1-5 light level increases in your average so that the next loot drops are slightly higher? Is this the P2W element? Or is it just the EXP bonus/speed consumables that are P2W?

Nope. Disagree. The only thing that's pay to win in Destiny is paid trials carries.

[i]I paid $100 for the game and it's DLCs. Does that mean I paid to win?[/i]

[quote]I created a post earlier titled "Eververse is Pay 2 Win". It was heavily downvoted.[/quote] I wonder why. Maybe it's because you don't understand the definition of pay to win. [quote]One of my main focal points was that you could earn atleast two blue mods from EVERY Bright engram.[/quote] Yeah. You can [i]also[/i] earn way more blue mods by simply playing the game and turning in gunsmith materials and or buying a random mod with glimmer. If you spend money on bright engrams just to get mods, you just wasted money on something that could've been obtained easily, for free. [quote]Many people responded.[/quote] They probably all told you the same thing. [quote]The three main arguments defending Eververse were: • "I earn most of my blue mods from the gunsmith by either turning in weapon parts or turning in glimmer." • "blue mods hardly effect the gameplay and don't provide a power increase." • "I feel like I earn plenty of bright engrams anyway and you essentially get 9 bright engrams a week from the well rested buff."[/quote] Yeah. These are all true. While I do think Eververse is a crock of shit, these statements hold weight. [quote]While I agree that blue mods offer very little gameplay benefit and mods in general are underwhelming.[/quote] Your [i]entire[/i] post and argument can be refuted because you just contradicted yourself. You say Eververse is pay to win because of mods, but [i]look what the -blam!- you just said.[/i] But I'll just pretend you didn't say that. [quote]Perhaps this is intentional. One of the bulletpoints on Thursday's TWAB or 'This Week at Bungie' specifically adressed mods. Bungie wants to add "Changes to make the mod economy more interesting and impactful." While on the surface that's great--improve the mod system for an improved endgame. But wait there's a problem. The more meaningful mods become the more Eververse's bright engrams offer a tangible competitive advantage.[/quote] This is the only sensible thing out of your argument. However, It's also just an assumption. Like I said before, I don't approve of Eververse, but you saying it's gonna be pay to win simply out of a statement you read from is TWAB is [i]really[/i] jumping the gun. Wait and see. Because if D2 really were pay 2 win, you wouldn't be the only one who notices. Trust me. [quote]We need to understand the direction this game is going. Mods were introduced as a stepping stone for a future, more heavily integrated pay 2 win economy.[/quote] Another fair argument but it holds no weight. Mods, as it stands currently, offer little to no gameplay benefit. [i]You[/i] said that yourself. [quote]What does this mean?[/quote] I think I'm wasting my -blam!-ing time. [quote]As a consumer this is outrageous. Essentially we're buying a full priced game, with a day 1 season pass AND we have pay 2 win lootboxes. This game does NOT respect your money and from the looks of things it's only getting worse.[/quote] We don't have pay to win lootboxes. We just have lootboxes. Which is still a problem. Hey, instead of calling them pay to win lootboxes, let's just call them lootboxes. That's what they are. If you want to get rid of lootboxes from full priced games in general, I am right behind you. [quote]It doesn't matter that you 'think that you're earning plenty of bright engrams'. Nor does it matter that you can earn them from the gunsmith. The fact still remains that mods are becoming more relavant, drop from bright engrams and you can purchase bright engrams.[/quote] Again, the state of mods hasn't changed since launch. So to say "mods are becoming more relevant" is a statement you're basing off of the TWAB statement. Right now, you have no backups to your claim because you do not know [i]how[/i] they are changing mods. Wait and see. [i]Then[/i] you can make shitposts like these. [quote]This game is Pay 2 win everyway you slice it.[/quote] This sentence makes me want to die. [quote]Before the apologist's start preaching about the economics of game development, consider the following. Bungie has more avenues of revenue than any company I know of. Here's a quick list.[/quote] This doesn't really factor into the pay to win argument. I don't know why the hell you're using their avenue's of revenue to prove a point. [quote]These are just some of the ways Bungie can monetize that don't include microtransactions or pay 2 win lootboxes. Bungie can make alot of money without trying to make ALL the money. This blatant greed will create lasting resentment that WILL destroy a once beloved game company.[/quote] This is true. But listen, guy. Microtransactions are -blam!-ing awful. They suck. I want them gone. But [b][i][u]these lootboxes/bright engrams are not pay to win.[/u][/i][/b] If you would quit saying that, and just start a petition or a forum post about removing lootboxes because they're [b][i]just a shady business practice,[/i][/b] then I, along with many others, will agree. But no one's gonna agree when you start spouting nonsense about pay to win. [quote]Microtransactions offer nothing for the end user. Content that was once available to earn from in-game activities are now earned from lootboxes. We are effectlively loosing content because many of the items aqcuired from bright engrams are limited time only and dissapear when the season ends. Microtransactions always start off innocent but quickly invade every facet of a game. Lootboxes/bright engrams are an evolution of microtransactions and offer even less value to the end user. Instead of purchasing specific content directly, lootboxes allow you to gamble for the content you want.[/quote] Make a post about this instead and forget all the pay to win shit. This quote right here is 100% spot on. [quote]Regardless of my stance on microtransactions and lootboxes, Eververse is currently pay 2 win and it's only getting worse.[/quote] It currently isn't pay to win. I've said this [b][i]and[/i][/b] you said this. [quote]I am a massive fan of Destiny.[/quote] Join the club. [quote]I'm not a troll or a hater.[/quote] Reading your post.. Sometimes I wondered. [quote]I want Destiny to be better and Eververse simply isn't the answer.[/quote] Facts.

I agree with you, but I also agree with everyone who disagrees with you. Sure, this is pay to win, and it might be a big deal in the future. But at the moment you're taking this a lot farther than just raising red flags. You're kind of like a cop who pulls someone over for speeding because they're going 50.1 in a 50 zone. Sure, they're "speeding," but really? We may be seeing a slippery slope with everse and it's good to be on guard. But don't discredit yourself by blowing the current state out of proportion. We know they're walking the line and some very minor, inconsequential influence is seeping in. Let's just keep our eyes on it. I know you do say this is the beginning of something bigger, but your language and tone feel a bit too much to side with you.

This is such an obvious problem why haven't they fixed it. [spoiler]/s[/spoiler] [b] [/b] [b] [/b] [b] [/b] [b] [/b] Seriously though they made eververse perfect for d2, the fact that you get bright engrams out the wazoo for free is a step up from the first game, let alone everything still being cosmetic only. Not to mention gunsmith drops more mods so you're not missing out there even if mods get buffed, which would be a good thing, even spending 1000$ on d2 eververse would literally change nothing but give me the cosmetics I'm missing.

Win what exactly?

I only read about half the post, but I felt reading any further would be a waste of time, just like most of these forum posts are. I feel that you are complaining a bit too prematurely. You don't know how much they'll buff mods yet. Just because they say they'll do something, doesn't mean they'll do it in the way people are expecting, so save the complaints for when they actually do it. Plus, don't blame the creators, blame the annoying people who actually use micro transactions in pay to win games. And speaking of which, I don't think buffing mods will automatically make D2 pay to win, and frankly, I think it's dumb to think it would.

You are an idiot