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8/6/2017 11:15:17 AM
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None of the consoles on the market have the ability to run complex games at a stable 60 FPS.
They simply don't have powerful enough CPUs.
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[quote]None of the consoles on the market have the ability to run complex games at a stable 60 FPS. They simply don't have powerful enough CPUs.[/quote] Destiny complex? Say hello to the halo 2,3, reach and odst. far complex and 60 FPS Mass Effect is 60 Anthem is 60 lolllll
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Editado por TheArtist: 8/6/2017 8:30:58 PMThe only games that takes place in an open world---in any of those----are: Mass Effect: Andromeda and Anthem. ME: A ran at 30fps....and the trailer for Anthem also ran at 30 fps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3E5L2sOvNI High frame rates work for arena FPS shooters. They compromise the immersiveness and the "aliveness" of the game world in RPGs, and that's a game-breaking compromise. Which is why devs wont' make it. Plus---with the Xbox 1x---its starting to come to light that there are going to be a LOT of games that they aren't even going to be able to run at native 4K. There are just technical limits to what these (relatively speaking) low-cost consoles can do.
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[quote]The only game that takes place in an open world---in any of those----are: Mass Effect: Andromeda and Anthem. ME: A ran at 30fps....and the trailer for Anthem also rain at 30 fps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3E5L2sOvNI[/quote] Trailer =/= final game ME:A was 60 at first, tuned down for graphics (consoles) but it used to be 60 destiny is not open world But, look: The division is open world and 60 Wildlands is open world and 60 Watch dogs 2 is 60 and open world Horizon Zero Dawn is 60 and open world Infamous Second son and standalone is 60. And open world. ...
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Editado por TheArtist: 8/6/2017 8:51:51 PMWrong. Across the board. The Divison is open world and 30fps on consoles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WteZ4c5wzEc Ghost Recon: Wildlands is an UNSTABLE 30fps on consoles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-Ocj8hTPrY Watch_dogs 2 is 30fps that introduces artifact at CPU loads to reduce frame rate drops. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FYPTQjESU4 Horizon Zero Dawn is also 30 fps. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTH8OnQKWeY Bottomline, is the more processing power it takes to animate the game world, the LOWER your frame rate is going to be. So the only games that generally run at 60 fps on consoles are racing games, fighting games, and competitive FPS shooters. All games that don't have to burn up processing power trying to create large, immersive environments...and make them look realistic. Titanfall2 runs at a rock-solid 60fps on Xbox 1...but has to drop resolution all the way down to 710p at times when things get really busy on screen during the campaign. While Horizon Zero Dawn and Mass Effect: Andromeda show what realistic environments and game play that devs can create at 30 fps with very high (4K) resolution and realistic environmental effects. Both are gorgeous games....are nowhere near 60 fps...and yet had you fooled that they were. In open world RPGs, going for 60 fps on a console version adds very little to the in-game experience....and can cost it a great deal in terms of OTHER things the game can't do in order to make the game world feel alive. Simply because you're burning up so much of the available processing power trying to maintain that high frame rate.
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[quote]Wrong. Across the board. The Divison is open world and 30fps on consoles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WteZ4c5wzEc Ghost Recon: Wildlands is an UNSTABLE 30fps on consoles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-Ocj8hTPrY Watch_dogs 2 is 30fps that introduces artifact at CPU loads to reduce frame rate drops. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FYPTQjESU4 Horizon Zero Dawn is also 30 fps. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTH8OnQKWeY Bottomline, is the more processing power it takes to animate the game world, the LOWER your frame rate is going to be. So the only games that generally run at 60 fps on consoles are racing games, fighting games, and competitive FPS shooters. All games that don't have to burn up processing power trying to create large, immersive environments...and make them look realistic. Titanfall2 runs at a rock-solid 60fps on Xbox 1...but has to drop resolution all the way down to 710p at times when things get really busy on screen during the campaign. While Horizon Zero Dawn and Mass Effect: Andromeda show what realistic environments and game play that devs can create at 30 fps with very high (4K) resolution and realistic environmental effects. Both are gorgeous games....are nowhere near 60 fps...and yet had you fooled that they were. In open world RPGs, going for 60 fps on a console version adds very little to the in-game experience....and can cost it a great deal in terms of OTHER things the game can't do in order to make the game world feel alive. Simply because you're burning up so much of the available processing power trying to maintain that high frame rate.[/quote] D2, has pvp The graphics on consoles are barely even a improvement. Unless d2 pulls a halo reach and has a lot of shit in the background which was groundbreaking for a Xbox 360, no reason for 60 fos Or, pull a uncharted 4, and make the pve 30 FPS, but MP 60 fps
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You lost the debate...
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[quote]You lost the debate...[/quote] No
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Yes. But Destiny 2 isn't a campaign shooter like the games people keep trying to want to compare it to. Destiny has to animate complex AI opponents (Titanfall 2's AI opponents are notoriously stupid, and anyone with thumbs should NEVER actually die to one of them). The are complex networking tasks. complex weather effects. Hundreds of suits of armor and weapons to animate. Tasks tha tgame like Titanfall 2 and CoD don't have to bother with. As far as the graphics being "barely an improvement", I don't know what game you're playing and what you're playing it on. But I was playing the beta on a PS4 Pro......and at 30fps and 4K...and it looked every bit as gorgeous as any of the PC footage that was being put out there. The bottom line is that they are lots of "ground breaking" things going on in the background to give you a game that is designed like an MMO....but plays with all the immediacy and intimacy of a FPS. To give you an online game, that feels like you're playing a single player game. The networking necessary to allow Bungie to do this...didn't exist. They had to INVENT it for Destiny 1....and are still continuing to REFINE it. The bottom line is that in order to reach 60 fps, Bungie would have to butcher the PVE part of the game, and they are unwilling to do that. They are also unwilling to have one part of the game be in 30 fps, while the other part is in 60. If playing this game in 60 fps is so important to you.....there's always the PC version.
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[quote]Yes. But Destiny 2 isn't a campaign shooter like the games people keep trying to want to compare it to. Destiny has to animate complex AI opponents (Titanfall 2's AI opponents are notoriously stupid, and anyone with thumbs should NEVER actually die to one of them). The are complex networking tasks. complex weather effects. Hundreds of suits of armor and weapons to animate. Tasks tha tgame like Titanfall 2 and CoD don't have to bother with. As far as the graphics being "barely an improvement", I don't know what game you're playing and what you're playing it on. But I was playing the beta on a PS4 Pro......and at 30fps and 4K...and it looked every bit as gorgeous as any of the PC footage that was being put out there. The bottom line is that they are lots of "ground breaking" things going on in the background to give you a game that is designed like an MMO....but plays with all the immediacy and intimacy of a FPS. To give you an online game, that feels like you're playing a single player game. The networking necessary to allow Bungie to do this...didn't exist. They had to INVENT it for Destiny 1....and are still continuing to REFINE it. The bottom line is that in order to reach 60 fps, Bungie would have to butcher the PVE part of the game, and they are unwilling to do that. They are also unwilling to have one part of the game be in 30 fps, while the other part is in 60. If playing this game in 60 fps is so important to you.....there's always the PC version.[/quote] Titanfall 2 AI is dumb on purpose. Point of AI in pvp Destiny DOES NOT have complex AI. Not even in the raids Halo/inFAMOUS AI still shits on modern games AI We dont know if there is background shit that is like halo reach levels. If so, then I can understand 30 fps for pve For pvp it should still be 60. Especially when they are pushing comp down our throats
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You just want what you want...and to hell with the impact it has on the rest of the game. Got it.
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[quote]You just want what you want...and to hell with the impact it has on the rest of the game. Got it.[/quote] If you really think bungie can't do what uncharted 4 when they have more resources that any game developer out there man Destiny 2 isn't next gen. Its a DLC game. The graphics aren't a improvement. Only on PC. Same gameplay. Same AI. Same abilities, lol. PvP can easily be 60, and over if it was optimized for it. But they are too lazy to do it so they said -blam!- it LOL Tell me what's the impact of making pvp 60 fps. PvP doesn't have a lot of background scenery
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Editado por TheArtist: 8/6/2017 9:24:03 PM1. I think they don't WANT to have a jarring transition from PVE to PVP....and I understand and respect their decision NOT to do this. 2. As for the rest of the bullshit you're peddling.....save you're breath. I've played the beta myself. I have over 3000 hours invested in D1. The notion that Destiny 2 is somehow "Destiny 1.5" is a notion that is so laughable I hardly know where to begin. The game is a true sequel. It is a continuation of the story begun by the first game. It is NOT an entirely new IP....and its not supposed to be. It is a game that builds upon what D1 did well...and seeks to fix the things that it didn't do well....while advancing the story. George Lucas didnt' create an entirely new UNIVERSE when he went form Star Wars to The Empire Strikes Back. ...and those who showed up expecting some sort of entirely different game that just had "Destiny" slapped on the front of the disc jacket are going to be---appropriately---disappointed. If you dont' like the game, fine. Stop whining and go play something else. There are lots of military shooters that will give you a 60 fps with dynamic resolution, low res graphics and obnoxious texture popping. ...and a thoroughly forgettable PVE experience that people will play ONCE and never again. That's if they ever bother to play it at all.
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A continuation of the story? That's laughable! Continue with the jokes!
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Really. Why are the Cabal attacking the City? Just wondering....
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[quote]1. I think they don't WANT to have a jarring transition from PVE and PVP....and I understand and respect their decision NOT to do this. 2. As for the rest of the bullshit you're peddling.....save you're breath. I've played the beta myself. I have over 3000 hours invested in D1. The notion that Destiny 2 is somehow "Destiny 1.5" is a notion that is so laughable I hardly know where to begin. The game is a true sequel. It is a continuation of the story begun by the first game. It is NOT an entirely new IP....and its not supposed to be. ...and those who showed up expecting some sort of entirely different game that just had "Destiny" slapped on the front of the disc jacket are going to be---appropriately---disappointed. If you dont' like the game, fine. Stop whining and go play something else. There are lots of military shooters that will give you a 60 fps with dynamic resolution, low res graphics and obnoxious texture popping. ...and a thoroughly forgettable PVE experience that people will play ONCE and never again. That's if they ever bother to play it at all.[/quote] 1. Thats lazy. Then why can't I use ammo synths on pvp? This argument was made when the pvp nerfs were affecting pve. Its laziness 2. LOL. proof everywhere and you think its a sequel. Tell me why its a sequel 😂 Tell me a military shooter that is 60 fps with bad textures >pve is good in this game Extra LOL's. What pve have you played? Exo survival in AW? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Editado por TheArtist: 8/6/2017 9:31:55 PMI'm not chasing you down this rabbit hole, because there is never any bottom when someone is simply being critical for the sake of being critical. ..and will keep "moving the goalposts" so that they can keep badmouthing Bungie and the game. Bottomline. No one is holding a gun to your head, and forcing you to buy this game. If you don't like it, you are free to spend your money elsewhere. Just that simple. Spending your money elsewhere will voice your disapproval to Bungie in the harshest, and most unmistakeable of terms. ...and will be far more effective at doing it that what you're doing now.
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Republican ^
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Democrat, actually.
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Sad, your debate is backed with fact and rational thought...Dems rarely trouble themselves with anything or than emotionaly charged propaganda.
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Editado por TheArtist: 8/7/2017 7:57:41 PMDemocrats say the say the same thing about Republicans. We simply value different things.
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Yeah Big government controls all aspects of society thats what dems want, endless government programs leading to utopianism. Sad thing is, it leads to Venezuela.
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Only if you try to ensure equal outcomes, which never works. Equal Opportunity, otoh, is very doable. And is a necessary part of a just society.
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[quote]I'm not chasing you down this rabbit hole, because there is never any bottom when someone is simply being critical for the sake of being critical. ..and will keep "moving the goalposts" so that they can keep badmouthing Bungie and the game. Bottomline. No one is holding a gun to your head, and forcing you to buy this game. If you don't like it, you are free to spend your money elsewhere. Just that simple. Spending your money elsewhere will voice your disapproval to Bungie in the harshest, and most unmistakeable of terms. ...and will be far more effective at doing it that what you're doing now.[/quote] I'm being critical because this game is going to be somehow more boring than d1. SOMEHOW. I'm getting the game by disk to return it if I dislike it. want to try it if its a good game, get gameplay to send to reviewers and give my opinions on the forums and to friends we need to be critical about it, because we don't want a repeat of destiny one which, sadly, has already committed some of the same mistakes and new ones. especially on pvp
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Editado por TheArtist: 8/6/2017 9:38:10 PMConstructive criticism/feedback helps developers improve games. What you're doing isn't constructive and isn't helpful. ...and as a result, the people on the receiving end of it, usually stop listening.
