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Editado por FikrulsGummyGumdrop(Adept):
7/23/2017 10:24:57 PM
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Why government should be as small as possible
A Toronto man had enough when several of his neighbors fell down a steep slope at the park and decided to build the stairs himself for $550....after the city quoted the job of building a simple set of steps at $65,000-$150,000.
Retired mechanic Adi Astl hired a homeless man to help him and built the steps in hours.
Now the city, no doubt angry that they missed the opportunity to charge the taxpayer $150,000 for a $500 job, is threatening to tear them down.
A simple example why government should be as small as possible:
So you don't have to pay $90,000 for 6 steps built by 9 people while 14 supervise and 3 dump trucks are hired to remove the debris after ordering a 20 ton backhoe to dig a 2 1/2 foot hole.
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3 RespuestasSays all news is fake unless it pushes his ajenda. Makes sense.
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13 RespuestasThe city should absolutely tear them down. It's a pretty obvious public liability. Those estimates the city got are fishy though. Probably some conflicts of interest going on there.
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2 RespuestasYou do realise that the government does more than just build bridges?
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2 RespuestasI agree. Let's start the downsizing by removing everyone in the White House. Or, better yet, everyone on Capitol Hill.
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4 RespuestasYou're right. The 5 cents per person this would cost is truly astronomical. If all 2.8 million people in Toronto got to keep that nickle the canadian economy would triple over night.
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1 RespuestaLol great shitpost as always. Keep up the good work.
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13 RespuestasWhat a biased and one-sided overview of this issue. "Tory also cited safety and accessibility issues in terms of the staircase’s design. City inspectors have said the stairs are unsafe because the railing is unsafe, the incline is uneven and there is no foundation." He built a rickety wooden construction that already looks like it's ready to give out. If something were to go wrong, chances are people will get injured far more badly on this than on the dirt slope. It's a public, government maintained park. They have a certain duty of safety to adhere to. There will be children and elderly on these steps. They will get rained on, get wet and deteriorate. They will suffer from the weight and people using them. When you're out and about walking on public steps, do you want them to be built in a few hours by a retired dude and a homeless man with zero experience or knowledge of this? The mayor himself said that the 65k price was ridiculous and an overstatement. That's overly bureaucratic indeed. But having unqualified people put down some planks they got from home depot and expect it to be safe for major public use? Bad, bad idea, unless it giving out and killing a kid in the process sounds like a good headline to you. They should be taken down and replaced.
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8 RespuestasEditado por LiamCDM: 7/24/2017 12:37:40 AMThis is an example of a false dichotomy. To suggest that "big government" is always bad, while "small government" is always good suggests that there can never be a middle-position, where we can espouse state-interventionist ideas in some scenarios (healthcare, education and the environment), and non-interventionist ideas in other scenarios (our personal lives, acts of charity and economic matters pertaining to non-essential goods and services).
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9 RespuestasSo, it's the fault of big government that private businesses would charge extortionate amounts of money to do construction work. Ok then.
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3 RespuestasIt should be so small you can't even see it. Or feel it. Or even know it's there.
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2 RespuestasThen why don't we go back to the days of the articles of confederation? Oh yea, because the Federal Government was to small and weak to even defend itself. You need to have the right amount of strength in a government not too weak to the point where it can't defend or fund itself and not too strong to the point where it can violate citizens rights without any repercussions.
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64 RespuestasSo that means letting women get abortions, letting LGBTQ folks get married, legalising drugs, and more, right?
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3 RespuestasEditado por xXDeadKoyoteXx: 7/24/2017 10:58:23 PMI feel like too many peeps have been propagated to believe that "small" government is best for everything. This might be good for a few issues, but not for all. Working class people need government to intervene when corporations try to infringe on workers rights, which they have and will continue. Government regulations on corporations were to benefit us, and mitigate corporate power and influence in our lives and society. It's easy to see that when the rhetoric for government is too big comes down the pipe, it's just corporate propaganda trying to dodge regulations or accountability. This is why we have "citizens united" act and corporate bailouts ect.. I'm afraid Trump has push this corporate agenda further, though both parties are in corporate pockets. Republicans with energy and democrats with Wall St. You can even see it with the healthcare debacle going on now. Stripping ACA protections, deregulating healthcare and drug corporations and insisting that the free market is the answer. More corporate propaganda to insure that big Pharma and health insurance companies keep their national scam going, and to stave off the idea of "single payer" or universal healthcare, which would cut them out completely. That's why we hear payed off politicians say we shouldn't want "big" government in our healthcare. Anyways, just wish people would think for themselves, instead of towing the party line. WAKE UP.
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2 RespuestasLet me guess, you're an anarcho-capitalist. [spoiler]Making Memes Since '02.[/spoiler]
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4 RespuestasDamn, I need to get into City construction business. Charge an ass load for minimal work, sign me the hell up
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Exactly! We see that with Reagan and our economy was booming. And we see the same thing with Trump removing dozens of pointless regulations. We cut spending, lower taxes, and reduce government's size and intervention the economy will grow and so will jobs.
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Governments arent what they used to be. Theyre just a business nowadays
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1 RespuestaYeah just one of many reasons government even at its best is still just a necessary evil. Anything the government can do the private secter can do better, faster and cheaper.
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I'm still trying to figure out how he spent $550 on those steps... - Der
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Everyone should be for the smallest, most efficient government possible. You wouldn't want to own a car with a bunch of useless parts that break all the time and you have to pay to replace, would you?
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38 RespuestasSo then a Dictatorship is the best?
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25 RespuestasWhat matter the size of the government is, it always can be corrupt. He problem here is not the size but how's in the government. Best thing to do is start from the start, brand new politicians and this time set requirements.
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[i]Oh Canada...[/i]
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[quote]A Toronto man had enough when several of his neighbors fell down a steep slope at the park and decided to build the stairs himself for $550....after the city quoted the job of building a simple set of steps at $65,000-$150,000. Retired mechanic Adi Astl hired a homeless man to help him and built the steps in hours. Now the city, no doubt angry that they missed the opportunity to charge the taxpayer $150,000 for a $500 job, is threatening to tear them down. A simple example why government should be as small as possible: So you don't have to pay $90,000 for 6 steps built by 9 people while 14 supervise and 3 dump trucks are hired to remove the debris after ordering a 20 ton backhoe to dig a 2 1/2 foot hole.[/quote] The governement should not exist.
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you have a point. Now any liberal trolls who want to say other wise, i'll answer your questions here https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/229387489
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This happened once before in a Canadian city called Regina, someone got sick of the potholes in his neighborhood and he filed them himself with 2000$ material, canadas big issue was that they used cheaper material to pave roads, material that's prone to freezing/expanding which causes potholes in the first place. The man eventually "won" by filling the potholes over and over again until whoever the -blam!- decided to give up. He even has an interview in "the leaderpost" where he talks about getting arrested by the RCMP and him and the officers where joking and laughing the whole time, they didn't even cuff him, he just got in the back and went happily to the police station as the officers told him he won't be staying long
