Scout rifles are pretty good at sniper rifle ranges (Does Not Compute more specifically). At medium ranges, accuracy and damage can be improved (on Black Scorpion). It seems that Bungie wants us to prioritize our weapon loadouts more and put a bigger emphasis on what role each weapon type and archetype has in combat.

I think I have over 200,000 hand cannon kills in destiny and loves them in d2, even when they they shot ghost bullets. Hand cannons in d2 blow. They felt inconsistent, maybe due to range fall off. Then again so does ability charge times, 2 primary weapons, no power ammo, jumping and bullet sponges in d2. Not impressed with much in the beta. Cool sounds...cool environments. Mmmm...that's bout all I got for cool shit in d2 I just looked. I don't have over 200,000... I only have 196,189. Never mind, I don't know what I'm talking about.

They added bloom to scout rifles THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ACCURATE!!!!! Why am I being punished for wanting to use scout rifles? They have always been my favorite for pvp and pve! The slow firing one only does 37 damage for a body shot, meaning you need two body shots to take out some one critically wounded. With that slow of firing they can run away too easy. You can't punish snipers for peaking any more either! I miss ****ing on snipers(especially in trials)

It took 5 headshots to kill a [u]HUNTER[/u] in PvP

The one scout I used looks and sounds cool, but yes... it currently shoots tickles. Or butterfly wings. Or kitten whiskers. Whichever.

Yeah...bunch of fun using nothing but primaries for pve. Apparently when Gary took out the tower, not only did all the decent weapons get destroyed out of my vault, I bumped my head and forgot I used to have 3 supers, was powerful, and never apparently had a machine gun. The guns in the beta is nothing compared to the real elephant in the room. PVE has been severely sacrificed for PVP.

Maybe not that high of a magazine, but maybe something around 15-18.

Scout rifles are really underpowered.

You must have play lots of control because scouts in general sucks there. Pulse, H.canons and auto rules there. In competitive Scouts make a difference especially "Does not Compute". Mag size completely agreed on that.

Black scorpion is not bad in pvp especially on mid town where you have longer sightlines. I agree on the mag size though.

I'm having a hard time understanding why Bungie thinks that competitive PvP money is going to outweigh the loss of millions of customers because of the changes.

You kidding? Does Not Compute is one of the best guns in pvp.

I agree on the mag size issue. However all the guns are watered down a bit in some way ( mostly talking about pvp damage ). After playing around 50+ games now across all three characters I've come to some pretty founded opinions. 1. The obvious issue of slow charging supers leads to a rush at the end to use it if your lucky to even get it. All roaming supers are really easy to kill even by yourself which I think needs addressing. I've walked backwards and taken out plenty already before they can even get close! 2. GOLDEN GUN IS OVER WAY TOO QUICKLY! Seriously the last 2 times I've popped it knowing someone was around the corner they've just jumped over me or ducked away and by the time I turn around my super is over! 3. The two pulse rifles are easily the best weapons to win a gunfight at pretty much any range..particularly the nightshade with the new version of reactive reload. 4. Power weapons, not all were created equal! The main ingredient fusion is amazing and is better than a god roll saladins vigil... love it! The shotgun is pretty good, sniper is decent if you can use it. Now we move onto the others, the rocket launcher is a joke..You get 1 rocket. The grenade launcher is pretty crappy honestly, and the linear fusion sniper is ok but the charge time makes kinda inferior the the actual sniper. 5. Smg's... so they're cool, I want to like them really I do! They probably have the least amount of AA out of all the guns I'd say, they just feel so inconsistent! I feel like they need to increase the stability and AA on them...or give them a decent increase in mag size to accommodate the fact that half your shots spray to the left and or right of enemies from the slightest movement. 6. Scouts, increase the mag size and up the precision multipler on them. They should rule the range game and right now they are beat out by the pulse rifle because of these smaller map sizes. Overall I'm enjoying the beta and like playing this new version of destiny, definitely welcome some changes though in regards to ability and super cool downs. Also maybe a slight increase to weapon damage across the board.

Playing the beta was like D1 weapon balancing all over again. The only gun that seems effective at all ranges is the handcannon, and it is a 3 body shot weapon on red bars just like the sniper rifle. Welcome to the D2 handcannon meta.