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Editado por KitsuneSonow: 4/12/2017 1:47:14 AM
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"I Don't have time to teach newbies how raid/do challenges"

Edit 2: Again, this is not about not ACTUALLY having time. It's the attitude players have about it. Instead of calmly taking the time to explain themselves, most players that do this jump the gun and have a stuck up/elitist attitude about it when that is completely unnecessary. Edit 3: I will also admit I got a bit out of line with this and kinda took a bit of my anger out on the community for real world shit and that honestly wasn't fair. People have the right to make whatever requirements they want, but I still do believe that people should be a little more open minded about helping their fellow players if they can. Seriously, every time I have come across someone that didn't know what they were doing I would stop and explain the gimmicks (with good, clear details) and the longest any raiding party with newbies has taken me is 2 hours. Edit: I get that some people don't ACTUALLY have time for that what with work and business, this is more pointed out the people that will go all across the Destiny communities telling people in long paragraphs about how they don't have time to or just want to get it done as fast as possible, and don't want other slowing them down. This is more about the people who have a bad attitude about it and not the reason itself.
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  • No, I don't take an elitist attitude. I take an "I work a part time job, go to school, have a girlfriend, have friends, and have other things I need to do" attitude. I have time for a good raid and I love destiny. But I will not teach somebody how to play the mission especially when I put "know what to do" because it's ridiculous... I need to get it down relatively fast and if people slow me down I'll either kick them or leave the group

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  • Doesn't take more than 5 mins to tell someone how to do it before each boss. Maybe I'm different but I enjoy teaching new guardians the mechanics. I understand the point of ppl not listening tho. Some Raiders won't ask for help or can't swallow their pride and it's annoying

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    • Editado por Fightin Frog: 4/14/2017 1:25:30 PM
      People can make their own group for noobs and sherpas, and vets that don't want to Sherpa can make our own exclusive groups. I did a lot of Sherpa work in Vog and Crota and a little in kings fall. That doesn't mean I'm obligated to always Sherpa. Sometimes I want to join a vet group and run through quick. That's OK. Noobs to the raid can make a post on recruitment and say noobs and sherpas welcome so that people joining know it will be a long raid figuring things out. That's how you learn. I also hate as a Sherpa trying to bring someone through a hard raid when they never completed normal. Do your learning and exploring in normal before coming into the big leagues.

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    • Are you still upset that people would rather have a quick raid without any problems instead of having to explain everything to a noob?

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      • uh... if someone explains the task at hand it will disrupt the hour long uncomfortable silence. #hardpass.

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      • Editado por Raider TCK: 4/14/2017 12:02:37 AM
        Sure. But explaining mechanics gets old. 3 of the raids are over 18 months old. Extensive guides have been out for all raids for within 24 hours of release. I have done a fair few Sherpa raids. They can be fun. They can be incredibly frustrating as many people are just not very intelligent and they don't have the ability to memorise mechanics, count or know their left from right. Today I asked for extremely experienced players only. Someone joined. He asked one of the dumbest questions I could possibly imagine an experienced player asking. Upon checking, he had never actually done the raid and removed him. I then found an experienced group and got 2 kings fall runs getting all Challenge modes done on their first attempt in less than an hour and a half in total. I got 7 raids done (3x crota, 2x vog and 2x kings fall) in under 6 hours total with experienced teams. That also includes having a break for lunch. It was fun. There was no silly deaths to adds. The warlocks ran voidwalker as they didn't need self Rez and used their supers to wipe out waves of enemies and majors. Hunters called out tether orders during boss DPS phases etc.

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      • Having done my fair share of Sherpa work, I'll say that it does take some time to teach someone a raid and even more time to teach a challenge. It's usually not enough to just sit and explain each step to them. Often times, people don't actually GET it until you do a few failed runs so you can get a better sense of what you are trying to accomplish with your strategy. It takes even more attempts to get the timing down. I understand if some people don't want to spend hours and hours and hours in a raid wiping and teaching people how to do a raid. It may even be that they just don't want to have to do that THAT particular night, but if you catch them at a different time, they may be more willing to do the sherpa work. My point is, people have absolutely ZERO obligation to do sherpa work or teach others how to do raids. People cannot simply demand or expect these people to simply be willing to take anyone at any time under any circumstances. This is just completely unreasonable IMO. I'll help people out, but I'll do it on my own terms and on my own time, and no matter how much people throw a tantrum, it's really not going to effect my decision. What people need to do is if they get upset at being turned down for raid groups, learn to make your own raid group. Read strategy guides, watch videos, etc. and learn how the raid works for yourself. Become the raid leader you seek in someone else. There is so much information out there now, all of the elite firepower is all available by quest, and max light is pretty easy to get, so there really is no excuse of not being prepared to do the raid and needing to be carried. I wasn't always a raid leader. And to be honest, I never even wanted to be the raid leader. But it's just something that kind of happened as my group leaned on me more and more to help them get through raids.

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        • Editado por GamerCone: 4/13/2017 7:40:28 PM
          Tried to help some guys last night, got them to Warpriest and I was calling out the order and taking the brand of the initiate in the middle, but there wasn't another person that could run the brand and we didn't have the fire power or awareness as a team to kill him in one go. I tried to give all the advice I could, but it wasn't working so I left at 1:30am after my girlfriend chastised me for talking too loud that late and cause I had work in the morning 😅. I love helping people, no salt at all, it was a sociable group. But I definitely understand why some people lose their patience.

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        • There are sherpas who willingly do this. If people want experienced players in their raid teams then meet the demands or don't join.

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        • I'd be fine with teaching if I had a mic, but I don't like people who say I know what to do but really don't. And I want to get it done

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        • I've taught kids raids since Year 1. I still teach kids how to do some parts of raids. That said, it is Year 3. Every single raid has a tutorial for each fight and each challenge on YouTube. I'm tired of incompetent guardians joining my fireteam, lying to me and saying they know what to do, and expecting the rest of the team to carry them. Quite frankly, that pisses me off. For you to say you're entitled to having your hand held all the way through a raid is pathetic. Put some effort in on your part, because the rest of us surely aren't gonna carry you anymore in Year 3. Git gud kid.

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          • Need 1 for kings fall gt is lexter321 xbox one

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          • Im all for teaching, but some people just arent meant to play together.

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          • I'm on your side with this one. Just knowing what your doing is not a guaranteed clean run. I've had so called veterans ruin raid runs because they're sloppy and die. Then I've had total noobs join, listen to instructions and do great. The single most important thing for me is that the person joining my team must have a mic and know how to communicate and listen to instructions and be willing to work as a team. Knowing every detail is second most important but without the first point you won't get anywhere.

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          • Editado por xAmbrosiAx1: 4/12/2017 5:19:12 PM
            I don't have the time or the patience to sit there and teach people the same thing over and over again. It gets frustrating when people die from the same circumstances. I have no problem teaching sensible people but that hardly seems to be the case most of the time. People are too prideful to admit they need help or don't know what they're doing. If I try to correct someone's behavior, they say, "yeah man, I know that." Instead of just taking the criticism and realizing they are at fault. Not to mention that people are less than thankful when you go out of your way to help them succeed. Out of the the last 10 completions I have, only one team thanked me & that was on Atheon challenge when we managed to finish 2 minutes before reset. I'm tired of the community thinking they're entitled to success. I'm also tired of them taking up my time with no appreciation of what my friends and I bring to the table as far as experience. So most of the time as of recent I just want to get the shit done, it's more fun nowadays to finish in reasonable time than to teach people who already think they know it all. I used to have a blast teaching people but ever since the release of the Rise of Iron, the community has become arrogant & entitled & it's no longer fun to try and teach those types of people. The only raids I was ever mentored on were Vault and Crota when I first started and I was very grateful & appreciative of the people that took their time to make sure I succeeded, I still remember who those people were. A lot of this community is toxic and everyone thinks they know every part of every raid, until it comes to time hold relic, gaze, sword, aura & spark.

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            • Why do people tag them self as 'sherpa' then ask for experienced players no newbies. Is 'sherpa some new elitist status tag?

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              • This is why optional raid matchmaking should be a thing moreover if working correctly matchmaking would do just as described everyone's skill level would be similar in that squad and everyone will have a chance to become familiar with raid mechanics and strategies optionally matchmaking could only be available in easy and normal modes hard would only be available by squad or lfg I think this would benefit everyone

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              • People can spend their time how they want to. If someone wants to explain something they can, if they'd rather take the time it would take to explain said activity on finding someone else they can do that as well. Stick to managing your own time instead of worrying about how others choose to spend their time.

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                • Editado por Wells: 4/12/2017 5:04:49 PM
                  Got through my first 3 raids last week and then decided to help out some others. 42 wipes at templar one time and 63 wipes at atheon without ever beating either. I offered to take some of the people who had never done a raid through normal so they could at least have an understanding of the mechanics, but they wanted the emblem/loot and didn't care that they were hindering their team with inexperience. If people don't want to take the time to learn normal mode or watch a video, they shouldn't expect others to use their time to struggle bus carry them through a raid.

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                  • I'm really patient about teaching new people. However when me and my team spend half an hour in the raid explaining to ourselves how to do something we already know [i]without[/i] actually trying it, I get impatient.

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                  • I will happily teach sensible, listening people. I refuse to teach people who won't learn/squeak that they know a better strategy from their favourite Youtuber. I want to get challenges done without hassle. If I see that our team is struggling but improving, then I'll stay. If there's no chance that we'll beat it....

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                    • I have no issues with people new to raids that want to learn. My clan and other destiny friends are always willing to mentor people because it helps the community and also is a good way to meet new people for future pve/pvp fun. BUT... I do have an issue with people not asking questions when they are struggling. Watching 1 person out of 6 man group that fails on any easy mechanic for 30 minutes gets me pretty frustrated. Even more so when they are quiet because I start to assume there is a troll in the house.

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                    • Well this only applies to LFGers. If those guys don't want to raise their likelihood of getting things done quickly by getting more experienced players through teaching them the mechanics well it's on them... :p

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                    • By now there really is no reason to not know the raids/ encounters. Im not gonna cater to those too lazy to watch a video to learn the encounter and be a hinderance to the team

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                    • The majority of the time I want to get this shit done as quickly as possible.

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                    • My problem is I've tried countless times to teach, only to have people not listen. I'll explain every step down to where to stand and they'll inevitably not listen to those instructions, resulting in a death, resulting in a wipe in most cases. Like Crota two weeks ago, when I explain the whole final fight...and how the strat we'll use requires everyone to run out the right side...and the FIRST thing this kid does is run out the left... Point being, some of us actually have the time and are willing to teach...but fail to do so due to inability to listen and follow directions and sometimes people just aren't good enough, which is sad given how easy the raids are once you have the mechanics down.

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