Who has less skill the guy outplaying you twice, bu avoiding your fire and closing the gap, or you who couldent counter? Takes way more skill to use a shotgun than you think

Alright, you mate are a cretin, and let me tell you why. Sniping, in ANY game, takes more "skill" due to smaller hitbox required. However, unlike MOST other games, destinys snipers are the most broken weapons in this game. Once you master the high ceiling skill gap, you can use a LONG RANGE BALLISTIC weapon [b][i][u]AT ALL RANGES[/u][/i][/b]. Sorry mata, but no matter how much skill you put in, you will NEVER be able to use a FUSION RELIABLY at ALL ranges. The problem is that snipes allow you that, but other guns simply put, no matter how good you are with them, will NEVER, by design, allow you to use them outside their intended range. As much as you sniping idiots say, "mapador" never existed. The marador NEVER shot across the map. Never. While snipes ARE capable of RELIABLY work at 100m, 25m and 5m. -blam!-. That. Noise. Proposed ideas: 1. Ads time is 2 seconds 2. Once ads is commenced, you MUST wait for the full scope in animation to finish to be able to fire 3. Increase headshot dmg by 50% (mainly pve tbh) 4. Increase max ammo and mag size 5. Remove all scopes under 8x zoom (its a sniper, not a 1hk scout rifle) That should eliminate aggressive sniping (lol.....its funny just writing it, -blam!-ing kids and using their crutches), and make snipers........[b][i][u]SNIPERS[/b][/i][/u]. Long. Range. Ballistic. Rifle.

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You know what's funny? You're just as deluded as the rest of the community. The only weapons that take massive amounts of skill in this game are fusion rifles

Sit still. Wait for someone to walk past your view and get an easy kill with 1 shot. You either had to use a sniper or avoid half the map for fear of being sniped without getting more than 5 meters. Yeah, super skillful meta.

But less fun, if u weren't good at sniping u could play pvp. U would get mercy ruled every time, it was were sweeties thrived

You have triggered all shotgun users

I think it was probably one of the more balanced metas as well

So preaiming lanes takes skill, yea right bud.

One thing no one seems to talk about is how snipers tend to cheat up in to primary range and can still be very successful. Everyone wants to complain about shotguns and now sidearms but when you can get icebreakered, NLBed, or just plain sniped from like 10 steps away that's just as big a problem. Yet I don't hear the "make primaries great again" crowd mention this.

(TL:DR at the bottom) Stopped reading at "sniper meta of y1." It happened in y2. Efrideets final round was a problem in y1. Snipers started getting a little recognition at that time but shotguns were still strong enough to prevent a sniper meta. Ttk released and during that time the sniper meta happened. Up until the flinch and zoom nerf. Now, on to my next point. Snipers are not the most skillful weapon. It really depends on the player. I've been using a sniper since y1. The very first sniper I mained was a Final Boss. With a list of snipers after that of course. Even after the flinch and zoom nerfs. I personally feel that those nerfs really herded out who was good with a sniper, and who wasn't. Good snipers still use snipers, unless it is a very small map. Bad snipers switched to shotguns. Then to primaries. I'm not going to act like i only use sniper, because other specials do get used, but I am way more efficient with a sniper than I am a shotgun. Or fusion. Sidearms are okay. Imo fusions after all of their nerfs are the most skillful. Especially if it's not a god roll. You have to know when to charge, distance compared to what your opponent is about to shoot you with. Literally all the mechanics. (Edit) Okay, I decided to read your post. The list of reasons you gave weren't even the issues people gave. People weren't complaining about snipers when shotguns were the meta. Snipers were changed to stop them from being efficient in close ranges. No need to complain about that. Once the sniper meta came [b]after the release of ttk[/b], snipers were the most efficient weapons to use compared to other specials. Especially for trials. - body swap to primary - res snipe - no flinch, could stop an engagement without an issue - get a single pick in trials and the rest of the round was cake. - camping res Compared to other specials at the time. Fusions - due to nerfs, unusable. Shotguns - why play risky with a shotty when you can snipe from a safe distance. Sidearms - lol TL;DR: a good sniper will always be a good sniper. If you're having trouble, that's on you....