[quote] I'm absolutely for reward for effort, but you're drawing parallels between PvP and PvE that really don't hold up. PvE, even at the highest levels boils down to learning patterns. While AI can throw in some curve balls it can't hold a candle to the improvisation and random nature of PvP combat. [/quote] I don't disagree that PVP is harder, but I still think the comparison holds. If you were to ask the hardcore raid community to would actually prefer raids be even harder. The most extreme challenge themselves even more by attempting to complete the raid with less than the amount recommended. The harder something is to achieve, the sweater the reward. Watering down the lighthouse by making it easier would not help the game mode, it would make it like iron banner (rewards for everyone, just for playing), and we don't need another iron banner. [quote] If Bungie would release numbers on % of community who completes the Hard Raids and Challenges vs. those who complete a flawless trials card I think we'd clearly see there are far fewer players who ever go flawless. [/quote] I would say a better comparison would be challenge mode vs flawless runs. 7 wins on a card would be more comparable to a hard mode completion.