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12/21/2016 11:34:47 AM
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So because you don't like something it should be taken away from the hundreds of thousands that do like it? Grow up kid.
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No. He's saying that Trials----as it is right now----needs to go away because of the toxic and divisive influence it is having on the community. ...and your reaction to his suggestion is a ***perfect*** example of that. But its likely to be moot point anyway. Trials is slowly dying. Dying more slowly than I thought it would when it first came out.....but it is clearly dying.
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Forums cry about skill based match making in regular PVP, Bungie change it. You're some kind of idiot aren't you! What about the people that liked it? Muted for being a dummy!
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@Z0et are you actually mentally challenged? SBMM was a huge problem in this game as there was no choice. It forced you to play with bad connections. Trials is a playlist! If you don't like it DONT PLAY IT!! Just because you suck at a gamemode (which you evidently do with your 0.9kd and 42% win rate) doesnt mean you have to take it away from everyone else. That's truly pathetic.
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SBMM was a problem for a very loud, very prominent MINORITY of the community. ...and (like I predicted) even after the changes, many people are still having the same connection-quality problems as they were before. Hint: The more you rage at him. The more you insult and belittle him....the more you make his point FOR him.
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Editado por Ve7n00m: 12/21/2016 12:20:19 PMTrials is a competitive game mode, EVERY GAME IN THE ENTIRE WORLD with competitive game modes have SBMM or ranked. I honestly didn't think you could get any dumber. It's bonkers to have SBMM in general PVP and not in competitive PVP! What is actually wrong with you? Oh I know, you're scared of getting your easy Trials flawless taken away from you, the thought of actually having to beat 9 teams that equal your skill level instead of the 3 or 4 currently makes you cry, got it! And do yourself a favour, don't be a stat douch as well as an numb nuts! I rarely play Trials, the amount of kills I have should indicate that.
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What's wrong? Simple. Everyone loves to win....but very few people like to genuinely compete. Trials is the baseball equivalent of giving out World Series trophies to major leaguers teams for beating up on high school and college teams. Only someone who is TRULY interested in ***competition*** is going to see the problem in that. Everyone else? Hey, I get to have the rewards of winning.....AND I don't have to "sweat" too hard to get them. THIS IS A GREAT DEAL!!!! IOW, not much incentive to change the status quo, when the inequities of it break in your favor.
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Well how is it my fault that I am better than other people. This isnt boxing where a heavy weight will destroy a flyweight. Everyone has the same guns and armor and abilities. It's a fair fight, just because you make stupid decisions shouldn't mean you get easy games.
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Editado por TheArtist: 12/21/2016 1:25:39 PM1. Who said it was your fault? Until you started raging a zOeT, people were criticizing TRIALS, not criticizing you. 2. Actually it IS like boxing. Someone with a elo of 2000 (unless he's sick that day) is going to absolutely DESTROY someone who has an elo of 800. The only thing different from boxing is that this severe of a mismatch in a FPS isn't going to result in the lesser player getting badly INJURED, like you'd see in boxing and other violent sports. 3. Absolute bullshit. An EQUAL fight is not the same as a FAIR fight. If I dropped you into a MMA match with a Navy SEAL on active duty, it would be an equal fight.....but unless you've got a 5th degree black belt somewhere that you haven't mentioned, it will NOT be a fair fight. As a trained warrior, that SEAL would absolute wipe the floor with you, and would likely be having to hold himself back to keep from doing you permanent damage. That is why REAL competitions-----and Trials ISN"T ONE....don't kid yourself-----stratify people by SKILL level. You don't step into the octagon until you've already demonstrated you can fight at that level. You dont' step onto the field on Sunday in the NFL or in MLB, until you've proven that you can play at that level. They don't drag people out of the stands.....suit them up....and then call it a "fair game". Because---fortunately----those sports have STRUCTURES and RULES, that won't permit those kinds of travesties to take place.
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Let me pick apart your argument piece by piece. "Actually it IS like boxing" - no its not. THE ONLY time it is like a boxing mismatch is if one player has 400 light and the other has 320 light, then there is a clear advantage. Two 400 light players with the exact same weapons / armor is a fair fight. Just because someone's brain functions better than another's doesn't given them additional killing power, it simply allows them to out-think their opponent. "If I dropped you into a MMA match with a Navy SEAL on active duty, it would be an equal fight" - exactly... It would be an even fight, and I would get my ass kicked absolutely. The difference is, I wouldn't then go and cry to the MMA officials telling them that they should give me shit opponents so that I can go on a 9 win streak and win the heavyweight belt. I DO NOT DESERVE TO WIN AS I HAVEN'T TRAINED ENOUGH! "You dont' step onto the field on Sunday in the NFL or in MLB, until you've proven that you can play at that level." Well then don't step into trials until you are at that level!!!! OMG its so simple!!!! "They don't drag people out of the stands.....suit them up....and then call it a "fair game"." This is exactly what the people on here complaining about trials do! They casually play some strikes then decide "lets give trials a shot" and somehow expect to win? Then complain about their opponents when they lose? Despite having 0% intentions of properly training.
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Missed the point, by a time zone. In fact you missed YOUR OWN point. That Destiny is not a professional sports league. No one is getting paid...and no one is paying to watch us play. So the notion that someone should be excluded from participating in any part of the game becaue they aren't "good enough" is ass-backwards and toxic. If Bungie wants to create a hardcore, competitive event in the game....fine. JUST DON'T GO ABOUT IT IN THE HALF-ASSED MANNER THAT THEY HAVE. If you're going to do it....do it RIGHT. Have a ranked-and-tiered event. Every one gets to play. Everyone gets to experience some success. Eveyrone gets to play against people of SIMILAR skill level. No one gets humiliated. No one gets exploited . Everyone gets TESTED. So not only do you give the wider community a reason to support the event (instead of resent and undermine it)....you also structure the event so that you're now starting to identify who the game's best players really are. Instead of having lots of pretenders-to-the-throne running around. (But then that's the rub.....you'd have fewer "elites" running around in the game's best gear....because they'dhave to fight ONE ANOTHER to get it. Rather htan stomping on lesser players).
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KellyGreen2 I'm sorry to have to say this but you have only ever played 8 games of trials and that was 2 years ago.... Why are you even complaining? You haven't even given the playlist an hour of playtime. I have played 2300 games of trials.. Thats 2292 more than you. I think the reason my arguments are falling on deaf ears is because compared to yourself, I am an expert in trials whilst you have only read 1 page of a 100 chapter book..... Your speaking about trials in a sense of what it represents, not what it actually is... "So the notion that someone should be excluded from participating in any part of the game becaue they aren't "good enough" is ass-backwards and toxic." - But they simply aren't excluded at all! They can play it all they want! They just shouldn't expect to win. For example, should bungie give me an easier version of wrath of the machine because I cant kill Aksis with my necrocasm whilst he's immune? A: No they shouldn't, I should learn how to do the damn encounter and pull my finger out my ass.
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1 I'm not complaining. I'm offering my opinion about the event. I don't play Trials...and if it wants to remain as toxic and dysfunctional as it is right now.....no skin off my ass. But that doesn't prevent me from seeing that it IS a corrosive influence on this game's community. 2. I've been gaming for 40 years. I've had enough experience with games...and enough life experience with people...to see exactly where Trials was headed pretty quickly. I didn't need to keep sticking my hand in that pot of boiling water to see that the vast majority of people were going to get burned by it... That there was no reason for the average player to show up and support it, an the "elite" would eventually get bored with it, once they farmed everything they wanted from it. 3. No, youre argument is falling on deaf ears because you are not not an HONEST broker here. You are not a "disinterested" party. You are clearly, very strongly identified with Trials (to the point you accuse anyone of criticizing IT, of attacking YOU personally). It also clearly meets some need you have...otherwise you would not have dedicated so much time to it. So no, that doesn't make you an "expert" at what Trials is, and what impact it has on the wider Destiny community. It simply makes you BIASED....and therefore not a reliable source of information in this. 4 ....and this non-sensical argument you just made is a perfect example. Average player are---for all practical purposes-----excluded. There is basically NO REASON for them to show up and submit themselves for the abuse. Bungie tries to entice them to play by offering the bounties....but I don't care how "bad-ass" the armor and the weapons look. They are simply not worth my precious leisure and gaming time to show up to get shit-stomped for the fun and enjoyment of someone's angry 15 year old. That is NOT my idea of fun...and that is not most REASONABLE people's idea of "fun". Which is why Trials is slowly withering and dying...and why Bungie is scrambling trying to do everything they can to entice people to participate (did you you really think making Trials part of this years "Moments of Triumph" book was an accident? Did you think the fact that daily Crucible bounties now have specification for Trials matches was an accident?) 5. Actually Bungie does give you an easier version of the raid: Its called "NORMAL MODE"...and it gives lesser rewards compared to the more difficult "Heroic" and Challenge" MOdes. Trials throws everyone into "Challenge Mode" to sink or swim. The event is just poorly designed and poorly implemented for what it tries to claim as its purpose.
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Editado por Ve7n00m: 12/21/2016 1:23:53 PMThis is probably the most narrow minded, stunted and ignorant answer I've read on these forums! Players like you get 5-6 easy games a card currently, You're up against people way below your skill level for the 1st half of the card. With SBMM, you be up against teams on your level for the whole card, but you don't like the idea of that as it'll stop you having easy games!
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Mate, I have 2000 elo in trials. I got it that high by beating teams of 2000+ elo players. Im not crying about anything. you stated "Trials needs to be closed down, any game mode that breeds this much division and elitism is not healthy for a community. And let's face it, the worst part of this game is the community!" I am merely saying that this suggestion is the most pathetic crybaby answer I have ever read. Wah! I keep getting beat! they should delete this for every single person! Simple solution. either dont play it or actually try to get good at this game. Your crying about a competitive playlist whilst not playing at a competitive level. You don't deserve to win unless you are good.
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How many teams? One? Three? Ten? If Trials weren't the absolute competitive JOKE that it is, you'd be playing teams that strong EVERY TIME you stepped into the arena. But YOU DON"T. IN any Trials passage, you may face one or two teams that strong.....and the rest is simply beating up on people who have no realistic hope of beating you. That is not competition. At least not any sort of competition that those of us who grew up with the real thing have any respect for.
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Editado por Ve7n00m: 12/21/2016 12:31:18 PMI rarely play Trials, I couldn't give 2 craps about it. As can be seen the the amout of kills I have in that game mode (which were mostly from year 1) I'm not crying about anything, it's blindingly obvious the most competitive game mode in Destiny should be SBMM (with dedicated servers to prevent lag) but you know what, even with dedicated servers you'd still protest because you're a Trials try hard that doesn't actually have to try hard in Trials. I've been flawless by getting better in year 1, after struggelling for so long with it. I then didn't play it AT ALL for well over a year, and have only played it recently (with randoms) when I've had nothing else to do, on this game or another game. If you think putting SBMM in a competitive game mode is the 'most pathetic crybaby answer I have ever read' then you clearly haven't seen the other suggestions for Trials on these forums! Bragging about your elo doesn't make you anything other than a Try hard man, even double carriers like grenader Jack state elo means crap all, get over yourself!
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"you'd still protest because you're a Trials try hard that doesn't actually have to try hard in Trials." Where does this idea even come from? I literally try my absolute best every single game of trials.. If I lose a game, I beat myself up about it for hours.. Trials isn't easy for me! I simply practice it so much that my decision making is at a level higher than 90% of other players. And for christ sakes stop misquoting me. I never said implementing SBMM is the most pathetic crybaby answer ever. I said your suggestion of z0eT- "Trials needs to be closed down" is the most pathetic crybaby answer ever. You literally said this. Take ownership.
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The "idea" comes from exactly what I said in my last post. Trials is a "competition" that makes NO sincere effort to stratify people by skill, which is the CORNERSTONE of any sort of meaningful competition. You don't march Little Leagures out in front of Cy Young award winning pitchers....and then call the debacle that results a "competition'. In fact, that's just a recipie to get that kid humiliated......if not actually getting them hurt.
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Well destiny isn't a major league sport. Trials players (streamers excluded) aren't making a career out of trials. It's a game.. The problem with your argument is that there is no teir 1/2/3/4/5 etc lighthouses. It's only one goal ie the world Cup for example. Why should peewee players have a chance at winning the world Cup? I'd be all up for strict SBMM if there was special rewards only top 1% players could achieve, but then the bad players would persist to complain about that too.
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Editado por TheArtist: 12/21/2016 1:35:53 PM1. No it isn't.....and Trials of Osiris isn't a competition. Its a ***demonstration*** where the games best PVP players are allowed to beat up on and humiliate everyone else for fun and prizes. 2. That's not a PROBLEM with my argument.....THAT is MY ARGUMENT. That Trials fails as a competition because it is not DESIGNED to be one. Because that is what a REAL competition would do. It would rank players by skill level. Divide them into competitive tiers or "flights" based on that skill.....then have a separate set of rewards for each flight. With the best-and-most-prestigious rewards going to the players playing in the highest flight. 3. People will always complain. It doesn't mean that their complaints are reasonable, or should be listened too. The complaints that average players have about Trials (as it is right now) are legitimate. As a competitive event, Trials of Osiris is a joke. Marching out elo 800 players to get humiliated by elo 2000+ players is about as "competitive" as the Christians vs the Lions in the Roman Coliseum. But anyone who wants to complain about not having access to the top rewards of a fairly designed and maintained ranked-and-tiered event? I've got one thing to say them, "Don't like it? PLAY BETTER." EARN your way into the top ranks with your play....and all your "problems" are solved.
