Because people whine and Bungie changes shit due to "frustrations". If everybody would just suck it the -blam!- up and play they wouldn't be "nerfing and balancing" everything. Everytime there's a complain post, it's crucible related. Everytime there's changes, it's because of crucible. I think its time we just accepted some stuff, like: *Shotguns are gonna kill you if you're even remotely close. *It ain't SBMM lagging every single time. It's your shitty McDonald's Wi-Fi. *Sweaty? Maybe look at it like weight classes. Just pick up the damn controller and play. If you can't handle sweat, go play Mario or CoD or whatever people say they play when they storm off from Destiny. *We can't bitch about snipers being OP then immediately bitch when they fix it. Only in-laws do this shit. *Your favorite grenade will eventually get nerfed. Learn to use the other one. *Yes. Matador and Palindrome just killed you again. They work. People are probably gonna use a gun that works well. Either get back up and go shut em up, or go patrol the cosmodrome. *Every super is OP. Shut up. A super is going to kill you. At least once a match. And yes, it has the ability to shut down your shitty OP super. *If you're going to go "play Overwatch and Battlefield instead" then just go. Stop telling us about it. No one cares enough to get in a "Nuh-uh! Destiny much bettew than that game, membie?" battle with you. Bye. *At one time, Universal Remote was a piece of shit. Then they nerfed shot package and a thousand other things. Uni Remote is OP. This is what happens. Nothing's OP until they nerf something else you love because snowflakes wanna win all the time. *Don't get close to a Titan. I mean we shouldn't be allowed to bitch that "Titans ain't real tanks" or whatever, then immediately bitch when they straight up roll over us. *Nothing is ever gonna be fair. Because humans are turds. Humans develope Destiny, and they are turds too, capable of making mistakes or not catering to wimps. Turds will also play crucible and cheat, then teabag your ghost. So what. Welcome to life. *Who cares. No one. That's who. Play the game or don't. But we get nowhere at all by waving our sandy vaginas in each other's faces complaining about some "I didn't do sa good at tha crucible tuh-day".

Crucible has been kind of a $#@% show since the beta. Spawning with one-hit kill weapons, I mean, come on! We're seeing so many more complaints now because the diminishing population amplifies the problems with Crucible. As the population drops, more players quit. It's called a death spiral. Don't worry, the Crucible population won't ever drop to zero. Someone still has to complete the exotic class item quest! You just won't be able to find quick matches with good connections. The best Bungie can do for players is collapse the playlists. The best players can do for themselves is to only play the popular playlists, not Salvage.

What was Alpha like?

I think this is the most balanced crucible has been in a while. Every class of weapons has a viable option to use. Someone might call me out and say that low rate of fire autos for instance aren't viable in crucible at the moment and I agree. But I think bungie's intention was not to have a weapon from each archetype from each class be viable but just one or two archetypes in each weapon class. Which sort off takes away from the variety, but can you imagine how difficult it would be to make every weapon viable and not op. Which leads me to my next point, nothing really feel overpowered right now. Some say shotguns, but I think the reason someone thinks shotguns are op is a combination of factors in game but not shotguns themselves. For one bungie for some reason decided to make extremely close quarters maps that provides little opportunity for primary fights. The second reason is that class abilities such as jug, shade step, titan skating, and bones of eao make closing the gap on someone easy. Third is the overabundance of special. Hell if bungie just made more medium sized maps with less cramped hallways and reduced the amount special drop for each box and/or the amount of times it spawns people would think more about how they use special weapons. These are my thoughts what do you guys think?

The strike sniper rifle can one shot body shot the lowest armour. Besides the best sniper rifle was felwinters lie.(although I never got it...)

What I get from this. A shotgun killed me nerf shotguns. I can't snipe with flinch so buff snipers.

imo it wasnt the state of the weapons and subclasses that made beta/alpha/first few months so much fun. it was the fact that no one knew what they were doing. everything was so new and nobody was experienced. im sure that if you reverted all of the weapon and subclass balancing from original destiny up to now it still would have unbalanced points.

Sbmm - people complains Cbmm - people complains Auto rifles - people complains Scouts rifles - people complains Pulse rifles - people complains Fusion rifles - people complains Shot guns - people complains Sniper rifles - people complains Match making - people complains Subclasses - people complains Bullet sponge bosses - people complains The only thing people didn't complain are "sidearm" lol

I suggest you all take a break, I'm feeling good after playing TF2, Skyrim SE and Fallout 4 mods, BF1, and just having fun. Take a break and see if you really want to play Destiny, then you will know what brings you back.

I mean... I use a fusion rifle and I can kill people outside of shotgun range... it's not that hard

I gave up complaining and just quit, seriously... Things will never change and those who are fond enough of Destiny don't care about its problems.

I can't even trust green bars anymore. I have no idea why the Crucible is so broken. Small player base?

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I thought this game was still the beta.

Matador isnt a y1 weapon? And doesnt devil's dawn exist? Shut up.

In the beginning of its third year