But PvE I can walk away feeling like I accomplished something, got some loot that I actually "earned" (at least a little bit). PvP I walk away from... straight to the liquor cabinet. Maybe there is some valuable lesson to be learned there that I'm just not getting but there is no "fun" to be had in being brutally, relentlessly reminded that I am worse at something than literally (and I I mean literally) everyone else I encounter. That kind of soul-crushing experience is better left for work or personal relationships than it is in my "leisure activity". But I'm not really good at [i]anything[/i], really, so that's why I don't really have any leisure activities anymore besides sleeping (I RULE at sleeping, 1v1 me if you don't believe it). When I DID play, though, at least PvE had a bright spot here and there and didn't leave me wondering why I bother to do ANYTHING I don't just HAVE to in order for me and my family to survive).