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Cozmo, do whatever you did during the time around HoW with crucible, and then mess with it a bit so that we get a moderate balance between what he have no (which sucks) and what we used to have (which was more OP, but at least it was more fun) BUFF, do not nerf. I would raise the effectiveness of primaries a decent amount and see how that plays out

the last word needs a buff, it cannot compete with other weapons at the low range it is forced to use. the last word need either higher range, higher impact and or the increased damage from hip.

Sounds like you should play call of duty. I play destiny to avoid cod.

Bo

I definitely agree primaries must come back and this might sound weird from a guardian like me but I missed being sniped. This is a good post :)

1) I think most of these comments stem from unhappiness with overabundance of shotguns. I'd say most the weapons are already balanced quite nicely.... the actual problem is people have too much shotgun ammo. Decreasing shotgun ammo (both pickups and reserves capacity) would help make the other special weapons more attractive options, and it would force shotgunners to use their primary weapon more often. Special weapons should be powerful, butshould not account for more than 50% of a guardian's kills. 2) A good majority of exotics could use buffs, they need to feel like elite weapons. Too many times, regardless of the activity, people leave their exotics in the vault and use an all legendary loadout. It's fine if certain exotics only excel in one mode or the other (PvP or PvE), but there shouldn't be exotics that never get used at all. Bungie should be able to look at the data and see which are collecting dust, and then buff them to be either an amazing PvP or PvE weapon. 3) Building on previous point, there should be at least one exotic of each type that is meant for PvP. Exotic weapon types you rarely if ever see in Crucible: Auto Rifles, Pulse Rifles, Snipers. 4) Legendary hand cannons and pulse rifles are fine how they are...as evidenced by their popularity; I'd leave those as they are. Scout rifles are probably fine too, but maybe give an increase in the flinch they cause, so they can stand a chance against a pulse rifle at range. 5) It's no secret that auto rifles clearly need a buff. Time-to-kill for the medium and low ROF is just too slow to be usable in PvP. I know with Rise of Iron they adjusted the Impact slightly, but I they need to expand their view and also re-examine the Stability, Aim Assist, and Accuracy stats across the different archetypes. Bungie needs to decide what is the purpose of having each of these auto rifle archetypes? If the concept is supposed to be that low ROF is about precision and accuracy, then a skilled user needs to be able to see the reward from that.

@Cozmo I´m a hardcore sniper... But i liked the nerf to the snipers, it made me use my primary some more and by doing that i got more out of the game and made me a better player, I get in to new situations and move a bit more around the map and you can still get some good hits/kills with the sniper. What i don´t like is that its to hard to counter a rushing shotgun. If they use blink or the shield for striker titan i know that i´m going to die. So what i would like to see is a nerf to the high impact shotguns and small buff to all primary. By nerfing the shotguns guardians get a bigger variety of guns to use. And the buff will make it easier to counter the shotguns [i] but also the snipers[/i]. I would also like to see buff to fusions. What i don´t understand with all the previous weapon updates is. Why nerf a specific weapon class and buff another? It´s just switch the meta... I don´t think it should be that hard to have a balance between all the weapon class. So you can play with whatever weapon class you like... Example: Don´t nerf pulse and buff AR, just do one thing. And the meta dosen´t change from pulse to AR. [b]I apologize for my english but i hope my opinion got through.[/b]

OVERALL DISCUSION: 🅰NERF SHOTGUNS, 🅱 "MAKE EXOTICS GREAT AGAIN" (Trademarked by SSBECK) haha j.k. IN MY OWN OPINION: I would have to say I agree. I feel as if Destiny has turned into shotgun wars. Whoever has the best shotgun wins. Someone mentioned if snipers don't 1 hit kill a guardian to the body why should shotguns. I actually think that is a valid point. I think that could turn the game around. This challenges both guardians on a 1v1 situation. The Guardian running the shot gun will most likely slide in for the kill but instead of a 1 shot kill must either land an additional shotgun shot and or a melee. This allows adequate time for the opposing guardian to counter with either primary or a shotgun or grenade himself. While attempting to make it to the lighthouse (like that will ever happen) last night the majority of my deaths were due to getting ran over by the metador 64 or a part crasher. Have you know I too have a metador 64 with pratically a "God Roll" a.k.a. highest range possible It still seems that I couldn't match up to the competition. Having said that I understand I'm not the best crucible player. However I'm certainly not the worst. I can certainly handle myself especially with a Mida Multi Tool. Granted my KD hasn't bee the best certainly thanks to lately getting gunned down by a shotgun every corner you turn. I think that there are several primary weapons that could use a buff but not all prinaries. I think that in order for there to be a greater level of competition there needs to be some level of balance. Instead of Shotgun Trials and Shotgun Crucible let's change it back to when primaries rule supreme. It's fun getting a shotgun kill sure. It literally makes the experience depressing. There is pratically no skill required and there is little to no strategy. I get more satisfaction out of out gunning someone with a primary then just running up behind them and mowing them over. Yes I know it is fun mowing them over but it's such a cheap tatic. • Shotguns need a nerf. • Snipers Remain the same. • Primarys, not all but some need a buff. • Exotics need a buff like the tiniest buff just to make them slightly better then a legendary. THEIR exotics for a reason. • "Make Exotics Great Again" (Trademarked BY SSBECK) haha. PLEASE READ AND RESPOND IF ANYONE AGREES LET ME KNOW.

Autos- Doctrine arc type needs a slight buff to crit damage. Zhalo arc type needs precision damage increased to 23 Grim citizen arc type needs precision damage increased to 29 or 30 Scouts- Dis 47 arc type precision damage needs to be increased to 47 Hung jury arc type needs to have slight flinch values increase deal to opponents. Colevance duty arc type is in good place just add a slight flinch value increase deal to openents. Pulse- Grasp arc type precision damage reduced to 22. Hacksaw arc type is balanced. Hopscotch arc type needs precision damage to be increased to 33. Spare change arc type needs precision damage increased to 35. Fusion rifles - balanced finally...thanks bungee Sidearms- in a good place Snipers- in a OK place, not too good but not bad if you have skill. Shotguns Matordor arc type needs mag size reduce to 4. Two to the morgue arc type needs increase to handling The ROI IB shotgun arc type needs increased handling and stability with the highest reload and mag size. Hand cannons High rate of fire Better reload and base stability Increased handling Mid rate In good place Slow rate Better base range than other arc types Increase base stability by 5% to 10% Increase aim assist on arc type