Mostly agree, pulse rifles and hand cannons defiantly should not be as effective at mid to long range compared to scout rifles. Scout rifles seem to be in this extreme long range space that just doesn't show up enough on the maps we have. Scouts are in sniper territory and constantly get out shot by snipers because they don't provide enough flinch and have a slow predictable cadence to their shots. I would also like to see a slight damage buff to scouts and sidearms, just to get their time to kill a bit more in line with the current pulse rifle / hand cannon meta. Another thing that could be done is to rework shotguns into a two tap kill by increasing ammo, rate of fire and stability, and reducing impact and spread. That would increase shotgun time to kill but also keep them very competitive in the short range.

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Other than the pulse nerfs I agree

Buff First Curse range, so that it has the greatest range, more than any 'god rolled' legendary hand cannon. First Curse archtype, should be the only hand cannon archtype that can operate in the midrange. Damage falloff to be added to the end of effective range, and not inside it.

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Nirwen's Mercy already doesn't move. Blanket stability decrease across all Pulse Rifles, reduce Thorn RoF/buff burn, then we'll talk.

This guy wants to talk balance yet he says to leave Shotguns alone LMFAO Also your suggestion for pulses would kill the class. Buff other primaries if you want to but nerfing pulses and making them take longer to kill would just make gun fights less fun.

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I feel like they should reduce the flinch that pulses have overall. If I'm trying to mow you down with my auto, but then you shoot a burst into me and my gun starts shooting like khvostov, it's a bit difficult to get the kill. Reduce their range and remove full auto from them to prevent superior time to kill, that way it's not just a ranged auto rifle that kills faster. (Except on exotics with it and raid weapons) Now I know what some of you are thinking "you nerf pulses and they go into the garbage" ha ha ha, no, nothing will ever reach low rof auto rifle level trash. How bungie sees auto rifles , full auto gun meant to be stable? Meh give it the second lowest stability and the most unusable guns without the right perks. I got the crucible auto from a package (something dilemma, can't remember the name) and it literally had garbage perks, so I try it out anyways...it has the worst firing pattern I have ever seen, it shoots like a slow hardlight with the least amount of stability possible, and the damage was awful, I trashed it immediately after firing it for 10 seconds, and its range was not so good. So you basically need a god roll to have a usable auto, unless it's an exotic auto like the lovely suros regime Where as a pulse or scout rifle doesn't have to worry about range as much as autos so you can just disregard any range perk and go for stability. My proposal to making autos better: Suros regime archetype autos do 28 damage a headshot now, because I can't tell you how many times I leave the enemy at one health because my 1 bullet missed the head from the enemy shooting me once. This buff would allow for more consistency in kills bettering TTK and prevent range from being too big of disadvantage for autos. (It takes 8 bullets from an auto rifle to kill, even -2 damage on the auto makes it take another bullet to kill, which is garbage) Buff the god damn base stability slightly and give them a better magazine size like at least 30 bullets. Focused fire damage increased by 2 to keep consistency, because once again the flinch caused by other weapons can make you body shot, requiring another bullet to kill, so if I kill my oponents in 6 bullets with focused fire even if I miss 1 headshot and its a body shot, it will prevent people from escaping with that damn sliver of health. Range, its alright but I feel like the only reliable autos at a distance are higher rof autos, so maybe give low rof autos more range. Focused fire as a perk increases overall range like suros focused fire does. Although the range sometimes doesn't help because the damage fall off is so steep, which is why buffing the overall damage will slightly reduce the inconsistency and boost overall usability. Now I know what your thinking "autos are for less experienced player because their bullet hoses, so they shouldn't be the best," well to everyone that thinks this I have 1 thing to say to you...lowest DPS of all gun types in pve, so that immediately makes it more difficult to use, and the LOWEST usage of any weapon type no matter the archetype because they have the second slowest TTK overall (my god roll haakons hatchet will not beat a god roll hawksaw at medium range even if I land all headshots with full damage, leaving enemies at a specific health while I die) Max rof autos have a faster TTK than the other autos, but the have the overall worst range and damage per bullet, once again making it the worst for PvE. So how can people say it's for inexperienced players, when anyone can pick up a hawk saw and do better with it than any auto? Answer me that.

I think the base range for pulse rifles should be decreased. If pulse rifles can outrange a scout and my Jade can't even hit across the map then something obviously has to be done. And it's not like they're running high range because I know for a fact all anyone use is max stability so there absolutely not way a pulse should outrange a scout

Pulse rifles need more damage falloff. This is more for the hacksaw and grasp archetype. The two type of pulse rifles are competing with scout rifles but with a higher TTK. Higher impact pulse rifles are for the mid to longer ranges but they get destroyed by the lower impact pulse rifles. Auto rifles need a general damage buff with 2 or 3 extra damage.

Scouts are in a good place, by reducing range on pulse rifles, scouts would shine If anything, scouts need to reduce how effective they are in the short to mid range, like mida