[quote]* 9/12 Crucible playlists explicitly require the new expansion, only the crappy classic playlists are left. This effectively butchers PVP matchmaking for those without the expansion.[/quote] New maps in the playlist is why. [quote]* The Vanguard Heroic strikes are now Rise exclusive, so is the Nightfall. Those without the expansion who want to do a strike playlist will now be forced to doing either the Legacy one or the level 36 one (did anybody whatsoever do the level 36 one before RoI? It was either Heroic or nothing for me). There are barely any decent rewards for the level 36, so those without the expansion will essentially be left in the dust.[/quote] The vanguard heroics have the new strikes in them and have been raised to a light level of 350 (doable at 335, but not fun at that level). Having said that, they are now seen as the 'SIVA Crisis' playlist. The TTK era vanguard heroic playlist still exists as 'The Taken War' playlist, at TTK light level.

Well the game is not free to play. How do you think they pay for everything? Remember this not a monthly sub fee. They support the game through dlc.

Bungie is much more focused on future money than your past money. If you want them to work on things that makes you happy give them more money. The people playing on the old gen systems and old DLCs have had plenty of time. It's time for new content.

[quote]* 9/12 Crucible playlists explicitly require the new expansion, only the crappy classic playlists are left. This effectively butchers PVP matchmaking for those without the expansion.[/quote] Because the new playlist contains the new maps. [quote]* The Vanguard Heroic strikes are now Rise exclusive, so is the Nightfall. Those without the expansion who want to do a strike playlist will now be forced to doing either the Legacy one or the level 36 one (did anybody whatsoever do the level 36 one before RoI? It was either Heroic or nothing for me). There are barely any decent rewards for the level 36, so those without the expansion will essentially be left in the dust.[/quote] Because Heroic Playlist has offered the highest level of difficulty [i]and [/i]the new strikes that available. A bit challenging to run LL 350ish strikes when you're 335 and pretty disappointing to get loot you can't use because it requires a DLC [i]you don't own.[/i] And quite frankly, I'd be pretty upset as [i]a paying customer[/i] if non-paying customers got all the above for free. That's part of what [b][u]my $30[/u][/b] went towards. [quote]Thank god Prison of Elders seems to be unaffected by this, though to be honest, it's only a matter of time before a new mode comes out and the previous one is rendered obsolete.[/quote] Because there is no RoI equivalent. And yes, each iteration of Destiny renders previous irrelevant because they are interested in moving forward and not making people feel like they need to do older, over played content [i]again[/i] to gain relevant rewards. [quote]Believe me, I'm pissed. I have a friend who didn't have the money for the expansion, and now he'll have less of a reason to play the game with me. This is one of the only things we do together anymore and we just might drift apart without it.[/quote] He couldn't come up with $30 in 3 months? He obviously has more pressing concerns then, which means you either suck it up and find a new friend to play with, buy him the game, or game share with him if you're that concerned about you're friendship (which couldn't have been too strong to begin with if $30 is your breaking point)

Bungle messes up a lot of things but unfortunately I can't agree with you on this one. They maintain the game by releasing expansions and you've needed to own each one to reach the highest level/light. Going into the 3rd year and fourth expansion there is simply no reason that this should come as any sort of a surprise at this point. Hate to say it, but if your friend is having trouble coming up with $30 then perhaps Destiny shouldn't be their top priority right now.

You can't be serious. What, nine months of Echo Chamber not enough for you? I mean for real? You and your buddy couldn't come up with thirty bucks in three months?

All I read was "I want to play for free". Players who don't upgrade still get Xur, Gunsmith, custom matches, and also now get all the TTK crucible maps [u]even if they didn't buy TTK[/u]. So quit yer bitchin' and save up the $30 if you want to keep playing the weekly EVENTS (heroics and nightfalls), or go play all the same stuff you already had and [i]wasn't actually taken away[/i].... Fun fact, every mission is still there, there's this thing called the director where you can select every single one of them.

It's almost like this happened with every DLC! So weird, right?

Huh sounds like a butthurt guardian with no money. Be lucky you got the private matches for free and shut the hell up.

You could always buy your friend the DLC if it's that important Not that I don't agree that locking as much as they do is a douchenozzely move though.

Meh. Try just quit playing like i have.

What a communist fegit.

Xmas is right around the corner, maybe Santa will bring it for him.

You should find a different game if you want a game that constantly releases primo content for free.

Fool you once, shame on them. Fool you twice, shame on you.

People always complain about this but what they don't realize is that most multiple year Triple A titles do this. I.E. Call of Duty, etc. People complain but since the end of year 1, Bungie has stated that they wont be charging for any expansions other than the yearly ones. You guys don't realize it costs money to make games and We're paying for the upkeep of said game.

Why should you play the new content without paying for it? This argument is stupid!! Of course you can't play the new content without owning it. If its a nightfall then tough if you want to play the new strikes then pay for it!!

Unfortunately this is the path Bungie has chosen. Luckily there are hundreds of games to play.

Nah, no sympathy. At least this time around we keep our gear