If we insist that we want to integrate?
Like, black people and white people
Rich people and poor people.
Honestly, if we stopped talking about people as labels and started just talking about 'a bunch of people in this area have really high crime rates and low wages' rather than 'this poor black area has a lot of crime' things would get sorted out much quicker imo. Introducing race or income just others the community from 'us' and loses our interest. "Oh they're just poor black people they have to learn to deal with their own problems instead of running to others for help all the time.'" Like, when did that attitude solve anything?
By 'we' I don't mean white people btw, i mean everyone. People hang around in groups of their own 'kind' specifically because other 'kinds' are seen as others. No wonder ethnic minorities and religious people tend to congregate, they see people of the same kind as them as easier to hang around with and get along with than people of other kinds. White people congregate too. We're brought up to think that way. Everyone is. But by breaking down the way people think we don't have to think of people as different in any fundamental way, and maybe people can be treated as we would like to be treated, rather than how different we see them.
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10 RespuestasEditado por Zeprexa: 9/21/2016 12:33:32 PMOrganization. Saying someone is black male with mid income really narrows shit down. And considering black people and Latinos have a higher crime rate it makes sense. They are just born with more aggression. It's not rasict to say. I'm not white btw
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Editado por Ape King Ira: 9/23/2016 9:39:24 AMThe country is becoming too divided. I agree. But with the black thing, that is a fact, you know. I would actually like BLM if they weren't full of so much hate and vitriol, and blinded by the mainstream media, because then they would be targetting where the issues [i]really[/i] are.
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8 RespuestasFuсking easy question. Communism works in dividing the majority against a minority and then encouraging that majority to violently overthrow the minority and establish a leader who becomes a dictator. Look at the socialist and democratic socialist parties in Zimbabwe and South Africa. The parties railed against whites, stole all of their land, killed a good few in a genocide, then deported the native whites and immigrants alike. The only hinge is that the sandpeople didnt know how to farm and so kicking the whites out started to kill them all. Do people even read the Communist Manifesto anymore? Divide the people and conquer. Then create another pariah group and another and another until the leader has established ultimate power over the chosen group.
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It's called "tribalism", we identify better with people who just like us. The problem with tribalism is that we forget that we all have the same common goal: to make a better life for ourselves and our children. I often wonder why we don't make a conscious effort to put aside those differences to achieve the common goal.
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Why did i think of the subforums when i first saw the title?
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_ _ |[•_•]| [spoiler]i tried[/spoiler]
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Editado por Rabull: 9/21/2016 2:58:53 PMI would say it's a normal thing. People follow their own. Yet I do think that the whole BLM situation has gotten out of control. White people are now being assaulted, cops are being killed. How do these people not see the irony of them calling all white people racist? Because that is a racist statement.
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9 RespuestasEditado por The Cellar Door: 9/19/2016 2:06:02 AMLove everything about this post. I've been trying to say this for a long time. It's a class system that is dividing us and making us susceptible to listening to such ridiculous rhetoric because we don't want to be clumped in the wrong class. People don't know what the -blam!- to think anymore. It's like, when I was raised, I was taught that sharing my toys is a good thing to do. I had fun and made friends, and everyone was happier, because I shared my toys. They shared back too. We didn't give a -blam!- about what color someone else's skin was, what clothes they wore, what car their parents drove, or how good their toy was. We were just having fun because we didn't have to worry about that shit. That's how I think life should be. But we get so caught up in these standards, and preconceived notions of what's right and wrong, we forget how to be idiosyncratic. We become reserved, and selfish. Angry, impatient. All it does is make whoever has money an easier target and whoever doesn't is excluded. And FYI, I'm not saying that as someone who is "poor and wants a handout," I'll probably make more money in my life than you can even imagine. Steve Jobs took the golden fountain, the computer, and let everyone drink from it, and look at where we are now.
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1 RespuestaIt's nice to see someone making an effort to truly think. That being said, let's look at all this from a different perspective. I think a couple of old sayings would apply here first of all. " Can't see the forest for the trees." And... " You've got one finger pointing at me, and 3 more pointing back at you." So what am I getting at. Right? You are talking about separation are you not? Go back and read your own responses to other people's comments in this thread. Let me help you. And these are your words not mine. "So you just look like a retard I'm afraid" "Your childish mentality of elitism" "This is my thread so if anyone's ideologies going to get out of here it's going to be yours." I'm not making an effort to put you down. Or put you on the spot. My goal, is to Enlighten you. If I understand you correctly, you're asking the question why. Why do human beings choose to see so much separation in everything and everyone? Why do human beings choose to see themselves "apart" from everyone. Instead of "a part" of everyone? OP, let me ask you... How would you feel if someone insinuating that you are retarded? Or accused you of having a childish mentality of elitism? If someone told you "This is my thread so if anyone's ideologies going to get out of here it's going to be yours." Would that make you feel like someone's respecting your opinions and points of view? Or basically saying, it's my way or the highway if you don't like it get the F out? I'm asking you OP, if someone were to talk to you like this, would you feel acceptance, or separation? And that brings us back around to your original post. My question to you OP... how do you see yourself amongst your fellow human beings? Do you see yourself "apart" from them? Or "a part" of them? The questions that you ask, the ideology that you bring forth in your original post, I began to ponder many years ago. As have countless others that have come before us throughout the ages. I will leave you with the enlightenment that I have discovered over the years that has helped me to come to a better understanding of my fellow human beings. And most of all myself, in regards to the struggle of separation that we all knowingly, and unknowingly deal with on a daily basis throughout our lives. I hope you'll forgive me, these are not my words. Mr. Campbell said it best. These are a few of his quotes. The first step to the knowledge of the wonder and mystery of life is the recognition of the monstrous nature of the earthly human realm as well as its glory, the realization that this is just how it is and that it cannot and will not be changed. Those who think they know how the universe could have been had they created it, without pain, without sorrow, without time, without death, are unfit for illumination. Joseph Campbell Life is, in its very essence and character, a terrible mystery—this whole business of living by killing and eating. But it is a childish attitude to say no to life with all its pain, to say that this is something that should not have been. Joseph Campbell, The Power of Myth Man should not be in the service of society, society should be in the service of man. When man is in the service of society, you have a monster state, and that’s what is threatening the world at this minute. Joseph Campbell, The Power of Myth “We’re not on our journey to save the world but to save ourselves. But in doing that you save the world. The influence of a vital person vitalizes.” – Joseph Campbell "The world is perfect..." It's a mess. It's always been a mess. It's always going to be a mess. You're not going to change that. Your job is to straighten out your own life. Joseph Campbell
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>doesn't see race >makes black only dorm
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Well.. maybe because there are different categories of people.. Harr darr
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4 RespuestasBecause humans are fundamentally primed for living in pack settings. Picture it like this. Your family is seen as an inner sphere which would be the focus of the majority of your own altruism. Then your neighbors, which in a non-cosmopolitan setting in the past would probably be your extended family and families that marry into it. Then your tribe, pack or band, which because of circumstances of the majority of human history would be an extension of your extended family. This appears to be a function of genetic similarity so it's simple to see how I would be more apt to extend my capacity for altruism to people that are genetically similar too me and there's nothing wrong with that. It's a simple survival strategy. A simple application of game theory would show that using an altruistic strategy with an in-group is a good strategy for winning, whereas extending that altruism to an outgroup that doesn't reciprocate is a good way to get taken advantage of and lose.
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1 RespuestaI don't like it anymore than you do but let's be honest, we separate everything somehow. Just human nature too I guess
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Because that's what people do.
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Medically, blacks and whites are different. So it's good to separate them
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2 RespuestasSo what your saying, that person who spent a majority of their 20s in college to become a physician, is in the same category as the 20 year old woman who had 7 kids by 7 different men and lives off the taxes of that physicians well paying career.
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6 RespuestasNot everyone is on the same level or deserves the same status.
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5 RespuestasEditado por Seanonix: 9/20/2016 4:18:00 AMSpeak purely factually. Hiding facts or censoring language purely to prevent people from getting offended doesn't help. Unfortunately, race and income can vastly influence social problems, and to ignore them whilst trying to solve said problems will make it more difficult to solve.
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Its possible in my town :) but i think other areas dont try because they believe its impossible
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No reason to fantasize about the impossible.
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Editado por Nanye: 9/20/2016 7:41:23 AMIts easier to generalise and label the unknown or little known than it is to find out for yourself what the individual differences are. Stereotypes are a key example of this, probably thats the entire point of the post.
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Editado por LahDsai: 9/20/2016 4:22:47 AMWe can't help it, we're tribal by nature. We instinctively group ourselves as it promotes camaraderie and (traditionally) helps keep the group alive by unifying against outside threats. We've expanded to a more "global village", but its still hard to shake that instinct of wanting to be a part of a more tight-knit, intimate group. Labeling ourselves allows us to feel like we're part of something. However, for "us" to be one thing, "they" must be something else.
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3 RespuestasToo many words. Anyone have the Cliffs notes?
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We keep segregating bc blacks want it
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people wanna be unique snowflakes
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Because liberals. They separate us under the guise of "acceptance". Pretty ironic actually. By separating us, they can effectively kill whoever they don't like.