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8/9/2016 6:33:48 PM
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[quote]No other type of weapon has more nerfs than snipers.[/quote]
All credibility is shot from this statement. Shotguns have actually had more nerfs than snipers.
All that aside, Aim assist is not the problem with snipers. The problem is being able to counter them properly when given the chance.
For most engagements the reason you cannot counter sniper correctly is because the current flinch implementation is broken. It is currently too easy to predict when it's going to recenter.
When you are presented with the right opportunity to counter a sniper and are doming them repeatedly they [b]should not[/b] be able to get accurate shots off as consistently and easily as they do. (Yes I've done it, I've watch my kids do it consistently).
Flinch moves the same way every time and re-centers in a consistent and timely way. People have gotten used to using a poorly implemented and predictable mechanic instead of actual gun skill.
Flinch movement needs to be randomized and not re-center. This would mean that actual thumb skill (Something Bungie talks about wanting to promote) is needed to reacquire your target instead of timing a broken mechanic.
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Editado por Kone19ps: 8/9/2016 7:42:52 PMI don't know how you haven't just ignored him/her. He/she can't even have a direct debate with you.
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I'm actually enjoying this. The more he/she talks the more their point is undermined.
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Yeah because you can't understand how fair flinch is.
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You probably played against a good player and because you couldn't change you strategy you trying to make sense of the problem. So because you think its always a good idea to challenge a better player you want them to not be able to counter your counter? Why cant you just accept defeat and stop believing that you strategy to counter sniping is going to work 100% of the time. Obviously you can't deal with stress of dying in a fps shooter.
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See my reply below. It has nothing to do with going against someone better. it's about a broken mechanic that doesn't allow proper challenging in the first place. You can dodge, strafe, and flank all you want to great success, but those time when you are presented with the right opportunity to challenge the odds are artificially against you because the mechanic is too easiy overcome.
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That is such a confirmation biased statement. Because you feel something is broken because you died and are not happy when you die in a fps shooter just accept it you died.
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You're still not understanding. It's not [b]confirmation biased[/b] when I take the time to understand what the problem is. When I couldn't understand why I can dome a sniper repeatedly and they can still be accurate I went to my kid who is a better sniper then me. I watched her play and saw clearly what the flinch mechanic was doing. Did you actually read my post? Here I'll copy it again. [b]Flinch moves the same way every time and re-centers in a consistent and timely way.[/b] I watched it happen time after time as she was being pegged. All she had to do was wait for the re-center and bang headshot. I watched this for over a week with different loadouts and perks. She did not have unflinching on. So no it's not confirmation biased, it's actual detective work. Bye
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You have a flaw in your strategy yet your trying to make sense of it by saying its not your fault. Looking at your crucible stats, i know players who are better than you.
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I don't care who's better than me. This isn't the pissing contest you think it is. This is about the game not promoting skill but people using a flow in the mechanic to make it look like their skillful. Look I get it. Your a sniper fan with both your 1KYS. I'm not looking to nerf the weapon. It does what a sniper should do. However, when it becomes a Low rick High reward activity something is broken. Snipers just laugh in the face of gunfire because they know they can just wait for flinch to recenter and be accurate.
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It's fair game because in this game bungie implemented a way for snipers to play when there flinching and i believe its fair like every other good player like the destiny streamers who know that its fair.
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And this statement is not sniper Biased? Be real for a moment will you. There is a way to implement somethings so it requires skill to overcome and there's a way to implement it that it doesn't require skill. If people are waiting for an auto re-center to happen how is that skill? it not. If it was random then it requires movement and thumbskill to get your target again. How about you learn the difference between earning something with your own skill instead of being handed it to you.
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Nothing is being handed and yo need to understand that you're angry abou getting killed in a fps shooter by a mechanic in the game. Sniper biased? Maybe. But i would like to say i enjoy sniping as much as i enjoy using a shotgun
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Of course I'm angry about getting killed by a mechanic. It means the person behind the sniper didn't actually kill me. I'd be OK with that. Instead they waited for something to recenter while I repeatedly pegged them in the head with my scout rifle (as an example). How on earth can you feel that is fair? There is almost no risk for a sniper being fired upon. How is that balanced? Please explain that?
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It is balanced if it wasn't bungie would of mentioned it already. Its fair flinch period.
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Well we disagree and so do several other people replying to your thread. Coincidence? I think not. Many many people recognize flinch as being broken and [b]not fair[/b]. You're a minority in this argument.
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You only call for a nerf when a person beats you by exploiting a flaw in your strategy. So look back, see what you did wrong, and fix it. Don't bring everyone else down cause you were dumb enough to keep a sniper who couldn't kill that flinch and yet implemented no changes to your strategy. If someone is good then rise to their level and don't drag them down to yours. Sensible advice.
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It's not a flaw in my strategy. You're obviously not really reading my posts. I do all that stuff yes I get it. I flank and grenade and all that stuff all the time too. All valid yea I agree. My point is that there are situations where gun countering should exist. It doesn't and can't because the mechanics are broken. That's all I'm saying. I don't have a problem with people better than me. I have a problem where the game allows kills when it shouldn't.
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Yeah it is a flaw in your strategy because flinch is fair in this game.
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You keep saying that so it really just proves that your as biased as you claim I am. Even more so because your blind to what's really happening. You've give ZERO proof to you arguments and I've given you weeks of investigation into the problem. You say Bungie has said it's far but given ZERO proof into that statement other that to say "They would have mentioned it already" You have nothing but your bias here. Good bye.
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You're the one being confirmation biased. Trying to add more flinch when its fair.
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Prove that flinch is fair. Prove that Bungie said flinch is fair. So far, the only proof you've offered is "They would have fixed it if it wasn't fair". Except there are plenty of things literally broken in this game that they haven't fixed, so your "proof" holds no water. Flinch for snipers always flinching the same amount in the same direction and auto-recentering makes absolutely no sense. If you're so amazing at sniping, then a random flinch without auto-recenter won't be a problem for you.
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Bungie isn't going to add more flinch so if you need proof why don't you ask one of the bungie devs yourself. I can't ask a bungie dev they won't reply back. They would of mention it in a weapon update post.
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Flinch is absolutely fair and its just terrible negative kd players asking for more flinch because they suck in fps shooters. They want everyone to be brought down to their level. Obviously bungie isnt going to add more flinch because its fair flinch and very balanced in destiny.
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I've already explained why I'm not confirmation biased. I've taken the time to investigate the problem. Weeks of observation and months of research and talking to other people. I've done my homework. Unlike you who can only repeat the same 3 things to back your argument. "flinch is fair", You're confirmation biased", and "the devs said so". You're clueless and bias of your own position on sniping. I'm done replying to you directly. I will now just continue to support the other people in your ZERO popularity voted thread that disagree with you. Take care now with your lack of argument and evidence.
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If you are not a good fps shooter then i can see why you want a nerf. So that kills are easier to get.
