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Editado por ThundersDestiny:
8/12/2016 12:43:29 AM
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To all the Shoulder Charge Haters
(Video by mtashed with the best explanation of why shoulder charge is fine)
(Note mtashed does not regularly use shoulder charge in this puts him as a worthy person to explain this without bias)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LOhvC01vMk
(Stats proving that shoulder charge has the highest risk and is the least successful of the 3 end column perks)
http://guardian.gg/en/subclass/striker
Silence....
Also try to give me raw data and facts along with unbiased reasons to why shoulder charge is OP(don't tell me what shoulder charge can do that is not how this works) .... I wouldn't be surprised if you couldn't
My opinion on shoulder charge is that it is fine where it is....however let's be honest with other selves bungie is going to tweak it since Memory of Joldor is becoming a thing.......
Here is how I would hope bungie would tweak it.
-Slightly reduce the tracking so you
can't 180 people
-Have the time it takes to prep a shoulder charge take longer
(Note I do not think shoulder charge is OP I just put these out there as the tweaks I can live with basically)
In conclusion if you get shoulder charged its your own damn fault and you need to get good
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1 RespuestaCough juggernaut is more op
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2 RespuestasFrom what i deal with, the only real issue with shoulder charge is they can 360 your ass from any direction, that's pretty broken. Just adjust to forcing them to have to be looking in the actual direction of the enemy and everything should be fine.
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I personally think that it is very annoying getting killed by a shoulder charge, especially if it's a stupid 180 degree turn ._. However despite this I do not think that it's op! (apart from the 180 turn thing xD) In my opinion people need to understand the difference between what's annoying and what is actually unbalanced. Op or unbalanced is when something allows a player with less skill than another to beat them with ease. Btw I haven't seen the Mtashed video so I'm sorry if this is very similar ._.
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Editado por Teal'c: 8/14/2016 11:22:18 AMI can 420 shoulder charge in the air eat this :D
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Just because mtash says so..doesn't make it a fact. Seriously people just need to get over it. I've countered many sc with melees or fusion rifles which ends up being a double kill. Im beginning to wonder which class cries nerf the most?
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1 RespuestaComing around a corner your screwed if he has shoulder charge and in that video you posted he says back up and shoot them and it'll kill a shoulder charge but clearly at 6:45 or around there the titan is obviously backing up shooting him but it doesn't effect him at all or phase him also he was in the air pretty much titan skating which is not running in a straight line like all titan spammers like to say "if you can't kill someone running right at you your a noob"the video you shared just points out the fact that it takes no skill just easy kills
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1 RespuestaNot saying it needs nerfed, but is super annoying and dumb that I get sc after/during a slide the slide should stop the sprint and stop the ability to shoulder charge until the player is sprinting again. Also shouldn't be able to sc through the floor when I'm at a different level basically sprint of an edge and shoulder charge the player below the ledge. I could be wrong as I don't play striker titan in pvp so I really can't say for certain that what I said above is how it happens but annoying. All in all keep trying to shoulder charge and I'll keep using TLW as a counter.
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2 RespuestasIf you get shoulder charged, you are the scrub, not the player using it.
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8 RespuestasAlso make the health regen use the storm fist charge if it's kept at all
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Every little thing that you say or do, im hung up.....im not waiting around the corner for youuu
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2 RespuestasThese are the best facts I can give you: [spoiler]SHOULDER CHARGE IS OP WIRH OR WITHOUT SH*T[/spoiler]
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89 RespuestasFact: It's the only non-charge ohko in the game. Conclusion: It needs a nerf.
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1 Respuesta[quote] Here is how I would hope bungie would tweak it. -Slightly reduce the tracking so you can't 180 people -Have the time it takes to prep a shoulder charge take longer [/quote] This can work. But it isn't overpowered but that's pretty doable.
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6 RespuestasIt seems you'r sanity fell apart when sunslinger got nerfed, nothing you say makes any sense. Just saying
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20 Respuestas[quote]Edit 1:Thank you for all the support I am glad to see many people agree with me Edit 2:To all you that are fiercely fighting against my agrument you are all jackasses [spoiler]Jk only Element Ninja is a jackass[/spoiler][/quote] BAHAHAHAHAHAHA 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆 🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿 You're so insecure! Relying upon the approval of others and resorting to personal attacks after having your logic roasted! How pathetic! Titans are getting the Nerf. Deal with it LOL
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4 RespuestasEditado por TheArtist: 8/8/2016 9:58:22 PMThe basic attack is fine. The only needed tweaks are.... 1. Longer cool down. With certain exotics---and especially with artifacts coming to the game that eliminate sprint cooldown.---it is increasingly becoming able to have SC charged continuously. Which is why you have more than a few Titans who do nothing but run around in circles and look to spam SCs. Or the minute they take gunfire, they start sprinting to charge it up, rather than looking to return fire. That needs to go. 2. The catchment area for the attack while airborne is simply too large---or too large given the lag in games. If I get SC by Titan on the ground...its usually because I did something stupid, and I got what I deserved. But I'm tired of having Titans come skating into a room, hit SC...and then make 90* right turns (or even complete 180s) and hit you with that flying knee. That's bullshit. Hell fusion grenades can't change direction in the air that -blam!-ing fast.
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I agree with everything except shoulder charge needs no tweaks at all. I rarely get shoulder charged. I don't know what everyone is complaining about. When is the last time you were in a match and got sc more than 2-3 times? If so you are doing something wrong. I get killed by weapons more than anything.
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15 RespuestasThe damage isn't OP the fact that it has no cool down is.
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3 RespuestasOP no, but Annoying when I doge or jump and get OHK'd in the toe. You are right about the 180s as well. Also, a OHK inside armour of light bubble shouldn't happen, but defender needs a buff to solve that.
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4 RespuestasEditado por firerwolf: 8/9/2016 6:24:42 PMIf a throwing knife head shot with burn and sting poison against a low armored enemy being a kill is op then so is shoulder charge.
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7 RespuestasI hate that you caved in the end. Even the "tweaks" (read: nerfs) that you'd accept would just result in every Striker switching to Juggernaut, at which point people would be demanding that get nerfed. No doubt you'd accept some "tweaks" to that as well. You've seen the stats. You know what would happen if we went down that road. When the options are "food" and "poison" you don't try to find a compromise.
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Thank you.
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Tie shoulder charge to the strength stat.
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Idc about how it insta kills people. Maybe if it took melee energy. But that's just me
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2 RespuestasTracking is the only thing shoulder charge needs fixed.
