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Editado por Specterocity:
8/5/2016 6:33:29 PM
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Shatter Vs WoD
So for my Defender Titan bubble brethren, I'm sure you have all encountered this scenario. You've deployed your bubble and you see a Voidwalker jump up in the air with his light level blinking and you know what's coming next. You expect you just lose your bubble and maybe have to watch out for the remaining Vortex that lingers but, no. Suddenly three nova bomb projectiles fan outwards and one destroys your bubble and the others send you back to the spawn screen.
This is completely broken (TRIGGERED) and there's no counter to this. The nova bomb should only be allowed to destroy the bubble but [u]NOT[/u] the user even with Shatter. If one bomb equals three shatters then shouldn't it take three direct shatter nova bomb hits? As a Defender main, this is just my [u]opinion[/u] because it usually always means 100% chance of death.
TL;DR Shatter should only destroy the Ward of Dawn and not the Defender inside.
JMPDoubleX made a point about this issue in one of his videos, if anyone can find it.
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HA, who needs shatter😂 I shit down supers with my "throw a knee charge"
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1 RespuestaI have played Voidwalker since beta and completely agree with you. I almost feel sorry when I decimate a Titans bubble... And the Titan. And in the rare occasion where I crack out my defender Titan for pvp it feels very annoying to lose your hard earned bubble to a shatter nova bomb.
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10 RespuestasSomething needs to be done to make WoD better, it's the only super in the game that's helpless against another super. Of course, every time a Defender buff is proposed it always gets shut down, no matter what.
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23 RespuestasEditado por ElementNinja: 8/5/2016 4:23:41 AMYour opinion is biased and would make WoD over powered OP. Thus, your idea is invalid. Here's why: Defender WoD would become the only subclass that, while under the effects of its super ability, couldn't be shut down and killed by opponent's super.
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9 RespuestasWhat people fail to understand is that Shatter is the ONLY super ability that can destroy the bubble [i]and[/i] the player(s) inside, while still being outside of the bubble. No other super can do this. All of the other supers have consistent counters but for Shatter there are none.
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Editado por Crayon Eater: 8/5/2016 8:09:01 AMTo everyone saying that it would be unfair that the bubble should survive other supers i want to point something out. GG can kill a bubble with between 1-2 GG shots and with combustion on can kill upto 3 maybe 4 people inside. FoH can super inside the bubble and kill everyone if they are quick enough or use aftermath on the outside of it and pop the bubble with the change to kill 3-4 people. Nova has enough armor to survive whilst in their animation to be able to super inside a WoD. Stormcallers landfall can pop a WoD if it's been up for long enough and potentially kill upto 6 people inside with ease. A well timed show stopped inside a WoD (that isn't an armor bubble) will easily kill everyone inside. A radiant skin warlock can spam solar nades like crazy whilst moving in and out of the bubble to easily kill everyone inside (Even if they have armor they ahve to elave the bubble and reenter if they want to regain the buff) Nightstalkers haev loads of armor whilst bowing meaning they can get a tether off, once they people inside are hit by tether it wil throw their aim giving you enough time to wombo combo them possibly killing 3-4 people. What we want is not an OP super but a way to spec our bubbles to be able to tank more damage. We have ways to make them work better, charge faster or last longer but we have no way to make it so that they are stronger, this leads to every other super (If the player is more skilled than the defender) to be able to wipe out the person inside the WoD with ease. I also want to note if you haven't run defender in the crucible yourself to keep your "git guds" to yourself. Run Defender for a week and see what it's like then come back here and tell us what you think.
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8 RespuestasReally? This is a thing now? Just because your Bubble feels safe, does not mean it is.
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Well that's just slightly idiotic. Considering that Razors Edge no longer goes through the bubble, and that a single hit from Bladedance itself cannot kill a Titan inside with either Blessing or Armor, and that Landfall no longer breaks it...and that you need two out of three GG shots to pop it... Sunsinger can't do sh*t against it, Tether doesn't go through it...so that really only leaves Fist of Havoc, Stormtrance (sometimes), and Hammer of Sol as the only "safe" Supers aside from NB to use against it... Half the Supers can counter it effectively, the other half are gambles. But you want to make it more impervious...
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6 RespuestasI main a defender Titan... I get more annoyed by one golden gun shot killing my bubble, the next me and whoever else was inside. At least with the shatter nova bomb (which I also play) you have like 30 seconds to run away from it.
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Well I used to use lance or vortex nova bomb, I honestly don't like using shatter bomb, it's too easy to escape it sometimes. I started using shatter bomb due to the recent uprising in defender titans. So stop using defender...uhh, I mean stop using UR + no backup plans ;) jk jk that was joke....IT WAS A JOKE, DONT TAKE IT SERIOUSLY. But ya shatter bomb is most effective against a bubble so that's why I've been using it recently
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2 RespuestasI think Bungie should just make it possible for the defender Titan to move the bubble at any point, but once it goes mobile, it only protects the Titan who used it. It would be this way until the Titan plants the Bubble again.
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This is very true, buff defender!
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16 RespuestasShatter is balanced, you just have to consider moving in/out.
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1 RespuestaI don't care
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2 RespuestasDear bungie, please make titan bubble do the following: Deal dot for enemy in bubble Survive shatter nova bomb Tank 3 Golden gun shots Last after death Suppress supers that enter the bubble Those are just some of the requests of the community. Has it really come to this? I play as a defender when I use my titan in pvp, and I have not had 1 bitch about it. FYI, armor of light is intended to help you survive many supers like foh and nova bomb. It's a tough class to run but a true blast to utilize FOR YOUR TEAM.... you are a stat booster, temporary safe haven, hole plugging, sledgehammer that is intended to support your team. Solo? Utilize it and place it in locations with escape routes and build accordingly.
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5 RespuestasHow many hit points should each nova bomb have in it's triple bomb mode? What should the AoE be? Damage fall off, etc....? If you have an opinion, make it known. Otherwise, get used to it. It has been around and tweaked, since day one until now. How is it overpowered? Just wondering.
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Shatter turns 1 bomb into 3, so why dont the bombs do 1/3rd of the damage of a normal one?
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The only one thing that shits me is a super affects the area you left when you jump away and deals damage in that area no matter the distance. But apart from that you need to be more aware of people using their supers to destroy your bubble.
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Lol, Supers counter each other easily, minus a couple of subclasses. Nova bomb will kill you using it and it is a game of rock, paper and scissors. Adapt and look for different builds. Good luck.
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Shut ur whiny ass up. Its been like that since day 1. Its never been a problem and it still isnt a problem. U had a bad game and rushed on the app to bitch about it.
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5 RespuestasSorry man, no character should be invincible in the game. That's why things like this exist. There needs to be something to keep bubbles over objectives from taking control of a match.
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22 RespuestasIn my opinion, it should be harder to take down a bubble, it should take full super to destroy the bubble(no 2 gg shots and 3th for titan, all shatters should hit to kill bubble etc). Eye for an eye
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18 RespuestasReally? What is your counter for golden gun? What is your counter for fist of panic?
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Editado por BerserkOne: 8/5/2016 3:16:40 AMI tend to think that the Defender's lack of neutral game talents cause too much emphasis to be placed on his super. I'd rather see that addressed than an outright buff to the Ward, although because the Ward just provides some cover and a buff to normal mechanics a neutral game buff would also help out when trying to fight with the super deployed.
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5 RespuestasStop camping👍🏻
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