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Editado por bud4wie2ser0:
7/19/2016 1:35:34 AM
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Numbers at daughters.
If you say "were gonna do assigned platforms on daughters then numbers on oryx, you're the reason your team keeps -blam!-ing it up."
It makes absolutely zero sense to do that and it just makes it more confusing for the newer players.
EDIT:
-If you're argument for assigning platforms being a better strategy is that "It's easier to just go to the same plate every time." Then you obviously lack the ability to look up(to see the relic), and figure out a three step sequence that goes counter clockwise around the corners of a square. If you can't do that you definitely are the reason it takes groups 2 hours to actually get the encounter done correctly and kill the daughters.
Someone explain why numbers is not better for daughters but is better for Oryx!
I believe you guys think that because your brains can't function fast enough to figure out a simple sequence in the speed it takes on daughters.
Edit 2:
Alright guys, I know I was being a dick earlier. Do whatever you think works...I definitely do not agree with doing assigned plates but if that's what you wanna do go ahead. I was just trying to stir the pot because I know a lot of people argue about which strat is better.
Edit 3:
The one thing you guys cannot argue with is the fact that if you can't figure out the sequence or your teammates cant, IMMEDIATELY, after the relic spawns, your team is gonna mess up a lot more the players who can. Point being, teach the new players how to do the raid correctly.
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1 RespuestaEditado por mpuchar: 7/18/2016 9:53:40 PMIt always worked good for me. Out of 100 or so kf completions i do it that way every time, and the vast majority of the time i run it with lfg randoms. Theres nothing confusing or complicated about doing assigned platforms at sisters and then numbers at oryx, sorry...
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5 RespuestasNumbers add unnecessary complication on the second run PERIOD! assign plates: front left, front right, back left and back right!
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Assigned plates is better for Daughters. Instead of having four people in panic mode and looking where they need to be after killing the first Daughter, the only person who should be panicking is the person who is marked and making sure a guy from the middle takes their plate.
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I've done it both ways and assigned is better for sisters
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4 RespuestasIt can be done both ways efficiently. To break it down. Both ways can get messed up due to random torn between dimensions on second go round. With a familiar team this typically wouldn't be an issue because you are familiar with communicating with your peeps. The reason it makes more sense to assign platforms is for example, everyone is assigned a platform. Runner does his thing, you kill the first witch. Then front right platformer gets torn. Callout front right needs to be covered and someone can cover it if needed. Its more efficient to call out what platform you were on for the simple fact that no one has to figure out where to go. You know front right has to get covered. If you did the other method it adds the unnecessary step of having to determine which platform needs to be covered. That simple step is too easily confused when doing this part of the raid. I even take it a step further and assign the first runner to take whatever platform needs to be covered. That way regardless you shouldnt have a problem. All in all both ways work fine. It's all about communication and being able to adapt on the fly.
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6 RespuestasEditado por NobodyJustBrad: 7/18/2016 10:24:53 PMNow I'll reply to your recent edit. You're asking that all 6 people know what they're doing. Good luck. The assigned plates make it so that only 3 people need to process that info. That significantly reduces the chances of an error. AND, you forgot about the part where being able to immediately run to your plate saves you precious seconds if the person that gets torn is a slow runner. But instead of listening to reason, you decide to attempt to insult us and say that WE don't know what we're doing, even though we're telling you that it's for the benefit of the entire fireteam AND makes it easier on people we're teaching. Reported. Muted.
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5 RespuestasAssigning plates for daughters is easier because people can go to their plate first and check the orb then. It's also easier for the floater. If all are exp raiders though both fix plates or numbers are as good. As for oryx well. Numbers make sense because of : - gear : ogre control best set up is not plate setup - you have hips of time to see where plate 1 is going to be. As for confusing people: they got to oryx, if that confuses them... They must have been carried.
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Either one works I've done both and assigned is better IMO Why cause 1st Everyone has their plates and locations only person who moves is the runner 2nd On the non assigned Everyone rotates it can be confusing to some people 3rd a good raider and run both with no sweat
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12 RespuestasEditado por StarTrekDad: 7/18/2016 10:35:32 PMFirst off OP, stop for a minute and pull your elitist head out of your elitist @ss. Assigned plates is better on Daughters for most players, especially new raiders. On NM, either strat is fine because you have a solid 20 seconds to regroup before the next jump phase begins. On HM, it is just easier with assigned plates. Less confusion. Less role changing. Less can go wrong. Oryx is better with numbers. Oryx is always going to follow 1 of 2 patterns with his plates and makes roles more stable. Plates 1 and 2 are most important, putting the weakest player on Plate 3. The roles for Plate 1 are different then 2 and 3 slightly. On Daughters, the plate roles are exactly the same. Grenade middle, shoot adds mid, shoot snipers, run to meeting place, shoot daughter in the dick. Oryx has more to the battle and takes much longer to complete. And there is zero randomness to Oryx roles.
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I do assigned plates at daughters. No thinking involved with it. After explosion, just go right to your plate. Easy. My teams have no problems at all. It's all about communication. Communication wins raids....
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Daughters is a lot more time sensitive than the oryx fight, also you are not in control of who gets torn. Most effective tactic for daughters is designated platforms and 4 switches with whoever is torn on the fire team. Numbers are better for oryx because everyone has an assigned role throughout the fight and there is no rush as long everyone does their job.
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1 RespuestaSisters is better with assigned plates because it cuts down on confusion. If you do numbers on sister you have to worry or hope that 2 and 3 plate players can figure out where to go and be fast at it. If you assigned plates and have a designated floater the floater covers the torn players plate.
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1 RespuestaDedicated plates lets people start running to their plate before everyone realizes where the relic is which could save anywhere from 3-5 seconds which is a big deal in hard mode.
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Carried many newbies through KF on both normal and hard, still have to meet 1 that has problems switching from fixed to mobile plates bro...
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Wow you are really taking this personally aren't you? You can tell by the edits. Why can't you just accept it that the majority of players choose to use assigned not numbered....seems to me like you would be the type of guy people kick for trying to take control.
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As an inexperience raider - I'm going to ignore your earlier (original) rant/rage and tell you that the few times when I've done the raid, both methods were used and as someone that doesn't run the raid a million times in a short span of time - I'll say that I find easier with the assigned plate method for the Daughters and assigned numbers for the Orxy fight. For the Daughters - being assigned a designated plate, people know where to go after each phase and what to do if the person getting torn was at a designated plate. Since Orxy follows a pattern, it's much easier to know which number you are going to when ever Orxy slams to start the phase since the starting plate can be different. Key to either method is communication. If the team can't communicate then it doesn't matter if you use numbers or assigned, it will make either encounter much harder than it has to be or should be.. Bottom line is why does it matter if team uses a different approach from what you and your team is using to complete these two fights? The end results is that they have beaten the raid using the approach that they deemed the most efficient for their team. You're free to use what ever methods that you deem the most efficient to accomplish the same goal. At the end of the day - both teams have beaten the raid and this is all that truly matters.
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Editado por SamohtNorehc: 7/19/2016 8:08:16 AMI think the issue for me, as with other parts of the raid that can be completed multiple ways, is how resistant to the"other" ways people are. If you are in a team where everyone is supposedly experienced and fluent in the mechanics, it makes no sense in how resistant people are to any change. I have seen people melt down over this, plate order on warpriest, who shoots boomer on totem, which desthsinger to kill first, and whether to put bubble top or bottom on oryx. For newer players, these methods simplify some of the chaos and let them focus on other things.... But for the "335 have Tom and bs know what to do or kick" groups, I feel like people are just hiding their inability to adapt. Edit: autocorrect fail
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The Internet, you're using it wrong. Get off.
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I do numbers for both....
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Not to hard of a concept if you think about it
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5 RespuestasNo shit. Why get all butthurt over it though? I've thought this for a very long time, but I still did it the way that a lot of people consider easier just to get it done. If it's easy for you either way than this shouldn't be an issue.
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1 RespuestaEditado por Hunter-Max99: 7/18/2016 11:58:26 PMLol. Numbers are way easier. "1 is up" "2 is up" "3 is up" Runner: "I got it" *Everyone steps off the plates* [spoiler]the oryx fight is a different story though[/spoiler]
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8 RespuestasNope it's just people like you making small things into a big problem, it's simple but you make it seem like it's rocket science.
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1 RespuestaBecause most raiders encountered at sisters don't have the sense to look up. It's just easier to do dedicated plates.
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Noobs still can't learn from normal raid experience to carry over to hard? Get good
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People still do that boring raid?
