I got off the hamster wheel two weeks after 335 release. I haven't looked back. To many games vying for attention. I felt robbed when they bundled everything together for new taken king players but gave 0 fcks for the year one veterans. I had a season pass and got a 0 cent discount where as new players got everything and at bargain price. Been around since beta but won't get back on unless they bundle taken king with lord of iron.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. It's not like you're buying a weapon for the next DLC. Imagine this being another $30 game. It's not like it's another rip off. If you look at vanilla destiny, without all the add-ons and other DLC, many of you paid $60 for that game, others the collector's edition. TTK took up less space than Destiny on day 1. Rise of Iron is now going to be another full game. New areas, new content. It's going to be as big as Destiny on day 1. So you say $30 is a waste, go back to making those micro-transactions on other games such as CoD and Halo. Obviously you have no idea what is and isn't a waste of money. Good riddance to you.

I stopped playing right before TK released for many of the reasons you stated and I likely wouldn't have returned if my wife didn't purchase TK about five months after it released. Long story short I gave it another shot and while I enjoyed the minor changes to the story aspect (Which should have been a no brainer for a developer like Bungie) it was simply just more of the same, nothing new and innovating, no solo end game potential to add variety, just a lot of bravado but really the same concepts rehashed again which is exactly what this next DLC is as well, more of the same nonsense and with the removal of last gen I expected a lot more than that! Most of my friends, roughly thirty, stopped playing before TK dropped, having been annoyed with various things from Luke Smiths comments to the removal of year 1 items, making the enjoyment we had for the year basically pointless so I completely understand this sentiment. With the recent nerfs completely destroying my personal favorite subclass (Sunsinger) for no good reason other than its creating "frustration" (In PVP mind you) I have been really disappointed with what I am seeing happen to this game. I can see that Bungie is going to do whatever it is they like and only "balance" based on what is used the most and not with what actually needs to be fixed and it sets a frightening precedent. Oddly enough they keep the players in line with minor tweaks like more vault space or pretty colors but don't give them matchmaking, separation of pve and pvp or any of the things they request that could add longevity to the game. Sadly the community has become nothing more than a bunch of "yes men" now, for lack of using a better word and Bungie will just milk them, doing whatever it wants for no actual reason other than noticing that the community is using something too much for their liking. Its really the worst form of "balance" I have ever seen and the most idiotic thing I have ever heard from any game developer and it disgusts me and disappoints me that the community isn't fighting for the game they supposedly love so much. Kudos to you for saying something, Take care former guardian and good luck!

[quote] To top it off, as far as underhanded things go, bringing Gjallarhorn in to start Year 3, but only if you pay $30 for it, is beyond a dick move. That's complete and total disrespect to the whole community. I hope people don't expect much from the $30 Gjallarhorn. I pretty much will call it as big a disappointment as the Sleeper Simulant being time locked behind a mission.[/quote] Stop right there. EVERYONE, regardless of whether they pre-order RoI or not, gets Gjallarhorn through a quest in game. The ONLY difference pre-ordering makes is if you want the black and silver skin instead of white and gold. And if you are only paying $30 for the Gjallarhorn, then that's just sad man. The $30 gives you more than just Gjallarhorn. You get new story, new area, new raid, new Crucible, and new weapons and armor besides Gjallarhorn. You sound like someone who is upset Bungie isn't just giving away everything for free. You are super -blam!-ing entitled. Muted. EDIT: Also, delete your Guardians or I will not believe that you are done with the game. See you next week sunshine. EDIT 2: Can't believe the entitlement people have. "I want Year 3 weapons and armor but I dont want to pay the money to get them! WTF Bungie you guys are assholes for wanting money to continue producing more content for us!" Never mind that this expansion is LESS THAN TTK which was 40 bucks, and no one complained about the price of that. Pay the 30 bucks like an adult, or stop playing once September hits. I seriously wish sometimes Deej or Cosmo would tell all you entitled brats to take a hike, but they won't cause they want your money.

Bye Felecia

People are taking you seriously. My smile and optimism: gone. [quote]From the awesomeness of the Gjallarhorn to the absolute destruction Bungie imposed on it pre-TTK release.[/quote] It's still the best rocket launcher by far. That's not diminished, not destroyed. [quote]From the beast called Thorn to it's absolute destruction POST TTK.[/quote] "Beast" is a funny way to spell "bullshit." A ubiquitous gun that is as powerful as it is annoying. [quote]From being able to to play our way to continuously being told by Bungie that they don't want us playing our way.[/quote] Define "you-way." AFAICT post-April Update has more ways to hit max light than any time in Y1. [quote]From having an awesome flaming head[/quote] No reward XP boost -> no neurotic impulse to complete Nightfall first, as unfortunate as it is. Given that Bungie has been accused to trying to make Destiny crack, I think you'd be happy with this. [quote]after completing the brutal[/quote] Hiding on a ledge is not brutal. Y1 nightfall were a joke aside from Taniks. Y2 nightfall are actually hard (read: annoying) [quote]yet very rewarding[/quote] Like that time I got my third Alpha Lupi... I mean the time I got 13 strange coins... Oh, that one time I got Gjallarhorn. Yeah, totally rewarding. [quote]Rewards such as horn kits and low level ghosts not helping at all[/quote] Some appreciate the cosmetics. It would be worse if they were still given in exchange of a piece of gear. [quote]From having an awesome assortment of elemental primaries that you continually swap depending on particular situations[/quote] You mean Fatebringer and two other guns. Nobody actually kept around multiple elementals because they all did the same shit. [quote]From being a place to play as a lone wolf[/quote] Literally when. Cheesing Crota? Solo'ing PoE? You can't do that shit now? [quote]After all, if you aren't part of a 24/7 6 man clan, thanks for the money, but you won't hit max light.[/quote] IB, Nightfall, Gunsmith, Cryptard, CoE can be done solo. And this is more generous than Y1. [quote]From Luke Smith telling us we'll throw money at the screen[/quote] And yet [b]people -blam!-ing did[/b] [quote]to him comparing all Destiny players intelligence to that of a 4yr old girl.[/quote] Gonna need source on you taking this joke out of context. [quote]To working and grinding our asses off with Raid after Raid in Y1 to get the most sought after items(Mythoclast, anyone?),[/quote] You mean VoG. Because CE had about as many good items as KF, only the raid exotic was both harder to acquire and less useful. PoE had nice exotics but the weapons were a joke. [quote] to the pointless Taken King raid just to get items for infusion[/quote] >gives you items to make your favorite items stronger >pointless [quote]No guaranteed 335 items with while using 335 characters! [/quote] 1) get one 335 2) use loot to infuse on other characters 3) ??? 4) profit ^ maybe to avoid that? [quote]From preferring other Destiny sites for feedback than your own damn forums[/quote] Most other sites have a better self-moderating community that doesn't dissolve into salt pits every day. When the top post here is almost always "Bungie do this unreasonable idea!" or "Bungie you suck!" it's not hard to see why they may. But honestly you have no source for that, only your own personal feelings. [quote]To having the Community Focus ONLY focus on try hard streamers.[/quote] [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/News/Article/44968/7_Community-Focus--Project-Tiger]I didn't know he was a streamer[/url] [quote]From Jon Weisnewski showing us bullshit charts in regards to balance to him actually admitting on a podcast his goal is NOT balance.[/quote] The mental gymnastics here is astounding. Not trying to achieve perfect balance != not trying to achieve any balance at all. [quote]If he actually had a clue, this would be unnecessary.[/quote] Thorn was still the preferred primary in sweaties in Y2 because it was the most reliable kill. [quote]I just don't understand a company that has been around for 25yrs and still can't balance a weapon.[/quote] A 25-yo company whose previous most complicated weapon was "pull trigger grenade explodes." Different shit. [quote]From getting weapons and gear in year 1raids that actually meant something to having to possibly get 9 of the exact weapon or gear to hopefully be a higher light level so we can level up.[/quote] Meant so much when everyone still ran Fatebringer in CE because why the hell not, those weapons sucked dick. [quote]From getting the infamous Fatebringer, Vision of Confluence or even the Crux of Crota[/quote] VoG, VoG, CE. CE option wasn't even good. Nothing from PoE, nothing from Trials, because a) Y1 wasn't all that hot relatively and b) you're just nostalgia tripping. [quote]to completing the Raid quest for Touch of Malice and thinking, "That's a let down".[/quote] Bungie makes the Raid exotic great for doing the raid and 100% non-RNG due to people's complaints, and then people complain. [quote] I have honestly never heard anyone say they want to do Kings Fall because they want a particular weapon other than infusion purposes.[/quote] You have never heard someone want a Qullims' or a Yasmin? You play with shit people. [quote]A few weeks ago, I realized that fun was gone for my team and I. We would play like clockwork every week.[/quote] Congratulations for realizing you have a problem. Here's hoping you end up identifying the source of it instead of trying to blame others. [quote]To top it off, as far as underhanded things go, bringing Gjallarhorn in to start Year 3, but only if you pay $30 for it, is beyond a dick move.[/quote] And to end, if you're buying RoI just for Gjalalrhorn, you're as much of a -blam!-ing idiot as that guy who buys things on the Bungie store for ebmlems.

Bet you won't leave the forums though. I'm getting sick of people sticking around here when they don't even play the game anymore, it spreads too much negative discussion. See you tomorrow.

Well said. The community continues to shrink until only fan boys are left. Guess what fan boys, there's not enough of you for this game to remain profitable. A product sells best by word of mouth. Destiny is laughed at by the gaming community which is why the numbers are dwindling, not growing. This is why bungle will only ever publish the number of people who tried the game, not the number actually playing. I guarantee, if the number of people actually playing was growing, they'd be sporting it from the rooftops. Oh well. Another great concept ruined by idiot managers.