Nothing against you, but how can anyone say this game was ever balanced in the first place?
[b]PvP gamers since the auto rifle nerf have literally flooded this forum every single day. That's not even a joke! Seriously look at this form right now! Read all the post and try and tell me it's not hurting this game on how what doesn't work in this game or how it doesn't effect PvE...[/b]
This is over powered, that's over powered.
Then you have the PvP gamers that [b]blame[/b] each others class on why their class is getting messed up.
Next you have the [b]overachievers[/b] the sweaties and their outrageous input on how this game should be balanced....
The one's i really like are the ones that [b]((obsess)) about their precious KD. Look Smeagol! Your precious is just a little video game.[/b] But they will get on here and talk all kinds of crap if you don't have a reasonable KD and act how much better they are then everyone else. Calling Gamers scrubs etc... Here we are trying to act like Destiny is a competitive game. It's like an adult talking down on a 3 year old and talking crap saying [b]look at you! You can't even defend yourself you scrub? The I'm better then you, but don't have the balls to put their words where their mouth is up against the pros in championships that look at them as scrubs. They are all over and not just this forum.[/b]
https://youtu.be/Rlm5lsqRi2g
What i like about this video is knowing how it's true on how the [b]gamers that are way over competitive[/b] have taking that obsession and brought it into every other aspects of crucible. IB and the supposedly casual event. The normal crucible to where gamers are just supposed to have fun and enjoy their time...
Then comes the [b]over analyzer[/b]
You know the ones that have to compare their numbers against Bungie's and if they feel Bungie is off on their numbers they will call them out on it by giving an example on weapons, gear, supers, melee, grenades etc. The statistics show this. The statistics show that. [b]The i did my own test in your game and you Bungie are wrong...but forgetting Bungie recent update how you don't have the actual numbers as they do. Which is actually true and the only thing Bungie was ever honest about in this game. [/b] that PvP gamer might be right but this is nothing but a video game.
[b]Now these PvP gamers everyone loves lol. The PvP nerf babies that cry on every single weapon, super, melee, grenades. If you can name it they already cried about it way before you even mentioned it[/b]
So meanwhile while all the PvP gamers that go to the next goto. Bungie comes and says...oh looky! These guys are using that weapon too much. Lets nerf it and it's entire category and call it [b] "variety" [/b]
There are 3 weapons that contribute to the current mess this entire game is in right now.
[b]The #1 is Bungie. 2- streamers. 3- alot of you PvP gamers, [b](((but not all.)))
I think the biggest issue in the "balancing" in this entire game that i wish would change. Is knowing (((Bungie makes millions))) off of us gamers. Yet they refuse to hire on or add more devs to at least attempt to make this game better.[/b]
Do you know what's funny about everything that I stated?
[spoiler][b]Not one single PvP player will take the responsibility for their own actions on contributing to the mess this (((entire game has become))) yet they will blame everyone else and Bungie that is the actual problem...[/b] [/spoiler]
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1 RespuestaI bought the game for the PvE but mainly play PvP. There are games, such as the Souls series, where the same weapons can be used successfully in both PvE and PvP, but Destiny is not one of them. I agree that the PvE side of the game has been treated as the poor relative subservient to the demands of the PvP crowd but until there is a separation between the two this is bound to continue. The PvPers have Bungies ear because JW, one of the lead designers, has a self confessed preference for PvP. People tend to complain about things in which they are more invested and it seems as though those more interested in PvP have the loudest voice. Of course it is selfish but that is human nature and we are all guilty of it. You can't turn the clock back to the start but Bungie can and should make changes in Destiny 2
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1 RespuestaDude, that's not Destiny. THAT'S EVERYTHING.
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2 RespuestasBungie seems to of completely forgotten that the crucible is nothing but a time-passer meant as a side-thing for people who are into it to enjoy. They've forgotten PvE is supposed to be the main point of the game. They bend over almost on-demand for any PvP issues that is complained about enough on the forums/sub-reddit. Yet how many months and months were PvE players complaining about under-performing supers? Bungie seems to of deluded themselves into thinking Destiny is the next big Halo or CoD for eSports (and wouldn't be surprised if Activision is pushing for it as well) and have decided to screw over anything that gets in the way of this goal, be it fun or their community.
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1 RespuestaPvE content is played on a server and PvP is peer to peer.... How difficult would it be for the sandbox team to separate weapon characteristics for these two activities? Can anyone link a thread to any PvE player calling for a nerf? This is going to be a long wait....
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Bungie is too op, please nerf.
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1 RespuestaAs a beta player that pre ordered destiny pretty much because of the pvp, I think bungie should completely separate pve & pvp content. I'd rather just buy the crucible content. I like pve but it gets stale pretty fast for me
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2 RespuestasNice going, let's blame everything that's wrong with Destiny on PvP players. 😕 I play both and I'm sick to death of the PvE crowd using PvP as a scapegoat. I agree there should be more seperate PvP and PvP balancing but in Bungies defense they did in fact do that with some of the classes in the last patch and in the past with some weapon types. Shotguns for example. PvE has only got boring because now there's literally nothing to do, except The same stuff over and over. That and the average PvEr is at 335 or nearly there. As for those wanting high K/ds. These guys are the try hards desperate to go flawless in Trials and need a positive K/d in order to find a team. If they use it in a forum argument , then they are seriously lacking in some areas or haven't been laid in a while. Streamers are streamers you either love'em or hate'em but they aren't going anywhere. Bungie does tend to listen to their opinions closely but whether they have a lot or a little influence is open to conjecture.
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2 RespuestasComing from a mainly pve player, I feel Iike it's other pve players that suck at pvp and play like 5 matches and want everything to be nerfed.
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1 RespuestaYeah, there are so many times when I'm arguing with someone and they just default to saying something along the lines of "My K/D is better than yours, your argument is invalid." It's a sure sign that they can't think of anything else to make a counter argument.
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1 RespuestaTo be honest I've already left the game. I just keep coming back to the forum every once in a while to see what's going on now, before I left it was nothing but shoulder charges and grasp of Malok with last words dominating the rumble playlists. Bungie has nerfed everything I grown so used to on here and I never use anything "meta" I have a simple lord high fixer and a sniper. I don't camp and I don't like to sweat. Wish Bungie will learn how to fix the mess they made. I loved this game so much but the majority of people on there have ruined it for me along with Bungie and their mighty nerfs and "balances".. So bump
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3 RespuestasEditado por DadBodDaniel: 7/4/2016 4:18:40 PMWhen are people going to wise up? They literally said our feed back is "anecdotal" it doesn't matter how much people complain, they're going to cater to the streamers, and their shitty data. Stop blaming your fellow guardians for this, PvP players don't hate PvE players it's time to stop this and realize we're not the enemy, but Bungie is.
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2 RespuestasThe fault doesn't wholey fall on the shoulders of the pvp player. The minority of nerfers here do not represent the pvp crowd as a whole. They sure as hell don't speak for me. Bungie is to blame because they chose to cater to the players who call for nerfs. Bungie also chose to implement forced metas by destroying weapon classes instead of actually balancing them. Nerf callers may have lit the match but Bungie is the one who started the blaze.
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1 Respuestawow, complaining about complaining. Bungie wanted the feedback. They asked us for feedback. Without a passionate community this game would be long dead. Use your mute button. thats what its there for
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1 RespuestaEditado por Shunnedscrub: 7/4/2016 1:15:45 PMFunny enough i dont blame the gamers for crying nerf about a certain gun or ability...i blame bungie and the sandbox team If something is overpower deal with it a piece at a time look at what makes it overpowered and tweak that But they hear about the issue and say "ok team!, what do you think is the problem with said gun? Why is it so overused/overpowered?" Lets get everyones opinion Team member 1 - i think the base range is too much it needs a closer drop off Team member 2 - it definity needs a base damage reduction it hits to hard Team member 3 - the perks on the gun make it to easy to kill others some of the perk sets need to change Team member 4 - i agree with team member 2 Team member 5 - yeah definity base damage Ok so majority agrees base damage is the problem Team members - yeah yeah everone nods Ok let do it! Team members - reduce the base damage What! No! All of it! Base damage, drop off, stability and the perks let go go go! Everything is an issue here they all need a tune Team memebers - (everyone whispering to one another) anybody oppose? Thats quite dramatic!, hell no just now we are seen as a problem Team member - nope! Sounds fair boss well get on it right away!
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4 RespuestasInclude yourself in "everyone" from now on, because all I see here is thinly veiled hateposting toward Crucible players in the guise of a formal complaint. It's in your turn of phrase and your enthusiasm on shifting all blame off of yourself to Bungie, us of the community and your own misguided disgust. Stop coming here and posting about it, unless you can be honest, in your post about honesty. I don't go on berserk rampages, I'm not good enough for that, I do really well, I've been told I domineer when I'm not halfhearted in my attempts, but the thing is, if you lose, if you team is getting reduced to nothingness by your opponents, there are 4 key points at which the blame lies. and [u]ALL[/u] of those points are [u]SHARED[/u] among the [u]TEAM.[/u] Lack of skill. One master of arms leading a bunch of blathering idiots into a warzone against six Trials flawless runners, who do you think has a better chance based on tactical and combative ability? Not the former. Lack of communication. When your team consists of randoms who are all running around like rabid badgers looking for sweets, and your opponents are coordinating their effort to some extent, you're going to lose. It isn't even a matter of skill at that point, it's literally a Red Dead moment. One gun can't beat 6 no matter how good you are, if all 6 have just devoted their entire existences to depriving you of yours. Lack of effort. Ever had a loser random get killed once and leave? Maybe two or three of them? Yeah, I know you have. I have too. And that leads to situations B and A becoming a LOT more frequent. I could probably think of more to include, but I'm tired and would rather not say anything more without thinking clearly. This goes for everyone who complains about being stuck fighting 'overachievers' or pitted against people who "obsess" over K/D and performing well. You don't know one single thing about what they are or aren't trying to do. For all you know, they're drunk, slightly high and half asleep, and still ruining your day because their [i]team[/i] is holding it down [i]like a TEAM.[/i] That's all. Let the ragey, closed-minded defense present it's argument, at this time.
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2 RespuestasYou're not serious right? This get posted every single day. 1. Bungie doesn't have to listen to 12 yo crybabies. If they do, it's Bungies fault. 2. Forums can't get flooded in a literal sense. 3. PvE is indeed pretty boring. But that's not because weapons are less powerful. That's because every strike/raid/mission is exactly the same every time. They should introduce random events/enemies.
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16 RespuestasHonestly, I don't think you can blame the hardcore player for seeking a fair experience in PVP? Whether players complained about firebolts or not, it never made sense that a grenade take off 3/4 of your health with no skills involved. Oh, and by the way, all of my casual friends don't give a flying -blam!- about any of the nerfs. If you are playing to have fun why would you care if your firebolt does 120 or 160? sure it's not as funny but it kinda makes more sense on the receiving end. Using firebolts as an example but what people usually complain about is usually (not always) broken. Throughout the nerfs up and down Bungie has done a pretty good job at keeping the time to kill relatively similar if you think about it, MIDA as always been a viable weapon and it never got nerfed or buffed.
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1 RespuestaYeesh, as if whining at other players is any better. Keeping things consistent has been a stated design aim since day one, if you don't approve I don't know what to tell you. The game doesn't owe you anything, least of all overpowered guns.
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1 Respuestai'm not going to read that really long post but ok. I'll take responsibility. It's my fault. No idea what this is about but i'll take it. Carry on. Responsibility has been taken. End thread.
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1 RespuestaI would say streamers, and youtubers are the instigators behind everything that is wrong with this game. Not only do they have the ear of BUNGIE, but they also have the ability to project soft power, influencing guardians in ways that benefit themselves. We see this in the weapons, techniques, and strategies on game, and by the incessant nerf, and buff posts on these forums.
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1 RespuestaI agree. PvE is constantly being changed for the worse because they nerf stuff.
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5 RespuestasThey wont....We are talking about nerfers right? oh and bump
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1 RespuestaPVE is really over. You just know they can't bring in anything good for fear of ruining PVP.
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Preach brother!
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