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Editado por SithLord Osirus:
7/1/2016 1:49:10 PM
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PvE is your homework? Jon W., admits he doesn't care about PvE.
Quote from an interview with Jon Weisnewski, when he talks about creating the PS Vita controls.
"It did good enough that you can, you know, you can do your homework on it. You can like go and like check off your chores, do your patrols and your strikes, do your PvE stuff; but once it gets to like playing for real in the crucible, it's not good enough, and I think, you know, I have to blame the hardware."
So there you have it. The weapon balance director thinks PvE is chores, and Crucible is the "real" game. Can this guy get reassigned to something where he isn't constantly ruining the game for a large chunk of players. He certainly sucks for PvE, and I don't think the majority of PvP players like his balance or tuning efforts much either.
[spoiler]And I'm expecting a flood from the PvP only sweaties, telling me how the "real game" [i]is[/i] PvP, and how I'm a scrub for liking PvE better. Just remember this; Jon W. is an asshole, so if you want to put yourself on his side, go for it.
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Edited to add:
For anyone that thinks this is bait, or taken out of context, listen yourself. [url=https://t.co/VJpMMxSpwZ]Crucible Radio episode 54. The clip in question starts at about 29:22, and the quote at 31:10.[/url]
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Editado por XxFILOVIRIDAExX: 7/6/2016 12:26:56 AMYeah he said that about doing your bounties on the PS Vita remote play and how he spent alot of time on the controls. He also said it wasn't good enough for PVP. Talk about taking something out of context.
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Bump Jon Weisnewski hates fun. Jon Weisnewski is in charge of a video GAME. Oops.
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I wish I didn't listen to that...
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3 RespuestasEditado por D1eThx: 7/3/2016 9:26:37 AMMe and my schoolfriends don't give a -blam!- about PVE. And we will constantly FOREVER have your shit nerfed. I don't even know what a guardian is. I just got the game cheap and now kill noobs all day. Luckily like smith and Jon weisnewskiwhatever listen to only us haahshahahahahah We kids just don't care how you feel about having your classes nerfed or weapons taken away. Because it's all for PVP. What even IS PVE? We require zero content. Just a map. One day I'll go back to Call of Duty anyway and you'll all be left with what we begged for. Hahahah Thanks Jon! Thanks Luke! Thanks deej and cozmo for not listening AT ALL to PVE players! This is OUR game. It's for the kids. And we get what we want.
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43 RespuestasEditado por Lose: 7/1/2016 8:11:28 PMI'm on his side, let the little kids go to the playground (PvE) while the big dogs go to work (PvP) The only PvE activity I truly enjoy is Raiding and that's Destiny's pillar! I can't wait for the next raid with Shiva
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Ok how bout making pve the real game and how bout bungie takes a complete runny shit all over pvp I mean it's already garbage with the fact they are letting cheaters run rampant and not doing anything about them
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2 RespuestasEditado por reegeee: 7/3/2016 7:46:17 PMSo a guy puts a ton of effort into creating good remote play controls so you can play some of the less intensive pve content on the vita, and that's a bad thing?
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Just when you think bungie can't stuff another foot in their mouth...TADAAAA!
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5 RespuestasIts just another prove how seperated the community is. They should simply seperate the pvp and pve in two seperate games. Make a rpg like pve based game without stupid grind to prolong playtime. Full of cool content. Weapons that feel powerfull. Handcanons that will hit without ghostbulltes ... just fun to play with powerfull enemys that are a challange even with powerfull gear. Make a good pvp shooter with dedicated servers. No need to do homework und grind for weapons. A perfect world for the kd hungry kids and youtube tryhards. Perfectly balanced for pvp.
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Destiny is coming to ps vita
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And this is where my confidence in the future of destiny is going.
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8 RespuestasEditado por bilbo t baginzz: 7/2/2016 1:01:27 AMIm not PvP only, ive done plenty of boring ass repetitive strikes and raids but thats all strikes raids and PvE are... repetitive and boring, nothing changes in them apart from sometimes there will be taken enemies rather then the normal fallen of cabal or vex. At the end of the day if you ONLY play PvE or if you ONLY play PvP you are only playing half the game, its personal preference which part of the game you like better but you should always look to get the most out of the game. [spoiler]Remember scrubs this is an opinion and we all have one so keep your PvE only salt to yourself. Also i still love VoG [/spoiler]
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1 RespuestaReading the replies to this post is like being in a salt crossfire. Seriously though, there is certainly a disconnect between Bungie and the players. The size of that disconnect has a lot to do with the perspective of the player. PvE and PvP players both have reason to feel left behind behind by this game. And this is coming from a PvE guy that chooses to play only PvP now because the other side is garbage. But I don't really have anything else to play soooo.... IB anyone?
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Yeah, he seems like a smug prick. That last Twitch stream with him sealed the deal for me.
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I like PvP you like PvE, we'll never play a game together. You won't get domed and I won't get tickled by that Touch of Malice you have.
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I'm chiefly a PvE player, but PvP would be a lot harder to work on PS Vita so he was probably referring to it as the 'real' challenge for his team to get right on PS Vita. Which would make sense. At first he was just listing the capabilities of the Vita.
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Editado por tomatolord: 7/2/2016 4:56:10 PMNah I don't read it that way Pvp play is harder in the game mechanics the hit box has to be precise the walls perfect stuff you don't care about in pve. I would agree the basic game is not that hardware taxing which is what he is talking about when it comes to supporting the ps vita I had the 1st gen and it was horrible as games were ported over instead of being made for it
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I'm sorry, but he's talking about the grind here. Not generalizing PvE in general. Patrols and strikes are pretty damn easy to do, so even with clunky controls, the player won't be punished. Whereas in PvP, when you're playing against another living, thinking being, poor controls are going to punish you. Notice how he didn't say go run a raid or do challenge of elders. He said homework, your dailies. [spoiler]Rotating meta's are awesome, Weisnewski isn't a bad guy, ya'll are just whiners.[/spoiler]
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2 RespuestasWhat is most telling and what most of the community probably didn't know that before Jon was given the job of weapon balance in the sandbox,his job was porting the game over for hand held devices. So this is is background. Not weapon design or balance but something completely opposite of what he is doing now. So a big shout out to Bungle for creating a FPS then handing the the responsibility of weapon,perks and skills balance to a designer who's background has nothing whatsoever to do with any of those things. Makes you wonder then if Bungle calls a plumber when they have server issues.
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22 RespuestasI understand what people are saying regarding you possibly taking the quote out of context, but he clearly states [quote]"but once it gets to like playing for real in the crucible" [/quote] which clearly has a connotation that anything NOT crucible is not playing for real. If that is his attitude, then it is a legitimate concern to have him do the balancing for weapons and abilities for both PVP [u]AND[/u] PVE. If the argument for complete separation of PVP from PVE isn't strong enough already, this just adds more fuel to the fire IMO. If your charged with blanket balancing for the game, you have to have equal respect for both communities. And this does feel disrespectful if you are PVE focused.
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Serious troll there son. Of course he was focused on the crucible, the show was Crucible Radio. I'm a PvE player first, and thought nothing of that comment. He's just saying that the Vita controls are good enough to do patrols and whatnot. PvP is a different speed from PvE; you can stand there fiddling with your aim on a Vita trying to shoot a dreg, buy you'd be dead in a second in the crucible.
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Please fire these people. Don't let them get Jobs in any other Company. Just horrible... cancer-like..
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2 RespuestasThat scrub Jon W. at Bungie is killing this game. His concept of "weapon balance" is illogical and doesn't justify why there isn't PvE and PvP balance separation. He assumes we want the "same playing experience" across both PvE and PvP with no data to support this claim.
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1 RespuestaI'm honestly disappointed yet completely unsurprised that this even has as many likes as it does, even after so many people have explained it. This is sad.
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Oh, grow up. You're getting mad at a human being for having a preference.
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2 RespuestasYou should really go back and listen to that OP. You made a post which is way out of context and shows a lack of understanding in judgment. The context of the quote above: PS Vita has controls, touch screen, ect. for the crucible. Jon apparently tried battlefield and COD on it before Destiny, hated the work put into it, and said for Destiny he was going to put time and effort into those controls. The PvE context? Has ZERO relevance. He is speaking about the crucible and how the crucible, to this day, doesn't meet his criteria for good controls. Hey OP, never met you and never will see your posts again because your getting muted. There's this thing called integrity and you need to get a boatload of it into your life hopefully before your next post. This online discussion about quoting developers? THAT is fine. Pulling something out of context? Only shows your lack of knowledge, your overall immaturity, and your social issues because you just lied from start to finish on something that is clearly spoken.
