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[quote]VIKING FUNERAL: Utterly useless now. It is completely -blam!-ing useless. 5% damage increase has no -blam!-ing impact at all. But some of you will say "It is a damage increase therefore it has an impact". 50 damage gets increased to 52.5 that's has no help at all in PvP. "But it can stack three times". Ok if you ignite someone three times which therefore means they're dead. The only relevance it has is in a boss fight and I would pick Radiant Will over it because it is a hell of a lot better. Instead of fixing DoT to work like it should they just completely scrapped it on the sunsinger and now our melee is absolute shit yet again because it makes people burn but now they don't burn worth shit due to the fact Viking Funeral got scrapped and they pulled this change out of their ass. FIREBOLT: Absolute trash now. 1 Meter is a lot of distance. Besides the fact that if you jump upwards into the air firebolts don't hit you; you can now run out of them and not get hit. They are now negated in PvP and PvE due to the fact that I throw them at thralls and now the thralls can run out of them too which is complete and utter bullshit. Not to mention they are now slower to actual go off. These nerds didn't address the problem of them blowing up like a fusion grenade. RADIANCE: Since they have just nerfed DoT now two out of our three grenades are now useless in PvP. Firebolts and Solar grenades relied upon DoT to be useful. Now DoT is in the garbage can we have to spam fusion grenades which pisses me off because you have nerfed not only the grenades but now the melee, the super, and the whole entire -blam!-ing subclass because it was built entirely upon DoT. Instead making it useful by repurposing some of the perks to actually be usable they half assed it and don't give a -blam!-. TOUCH OF FLAME: This perk is now absolutely garbage because its lost its companion perk that makes it a very strong combo. The other perks you can pick are pretty much shit since exotics such as Sunbreakers and Starfire Protocol give two grenades (Solar grenades for Sunbreakers and Fusion grenades for Starfire Protocol) and E. Bellicose on Titans gives Titans Angel of Light. FLAMESHIELD: So it's not as strong of a shield as it was and now it doesn't active immediately which means that its effectiveness is now absolute gone in PvP and PvE. Bungie's nerf hammer has now made Sunsingers feel like Sunbreakers after they got patched. RECAP: Things that are nerfed into the ground and are absolute garbage now. Firebolts, Flameshield, Viking Funeral, Touch of Flame inadvertently due to Viking Funeral nerf, Solar grenades, The burn on the melee attack, Radiance, Sunbreakers, Claws of Ahmkara, Self-Res, and the subclass because it was built upon DoT and now DoT is almost nonexistent. EDIT: Fixed some spelling errors.[/quote] Bra please hit enter a few more times when you write a big ass post. The nerfs are stupid, Viking funeral is now a PvE only perk as its useless in PvP. The fact that they ninja nerfed all burn affects is really -blam!-ing annoying, its like they knew people would be pissed off about it so they just didnt say anything. Gun slinger now has no 1 hit kill grenades it actually has no grenades that can kill someone all because of the burn nerf. Im more then happy to have nerfs and buffs in the game as i understand they are needed but when they are stupid ones like nerfing a throwing knifes when it could never one hit kill anyway it really pisses me off. Im just about done with this game.

I agree wit you that Viking funeral is useless now... I'm a warlock n been messing around wit this subclass in crucible, as I'm sure you guys and gals have as well n I kinda like the nerf it's makes this subclass more of a support type so if your running song of flame, wit firebolts(let's b honest now solar grenades, of become more of an inconvenience for your fireteam I.e. Blocking sniper lane if horribly thrown or in a close quarters battles n your spamming solars your screen just turns orange n all u see if fire every where so plz stop using these grenades) and touch of flame wit des n strength maxed out, if your team works well together they will never b too far from you which means not a lot of three on one or two on ones for you or your fireteam... Still unsure rather it would b more beneficial to stay wit flamesheild or would brimstone b a more viable selection??? What do you guys think???

The whole subclass is useless. I made a post in the feedback section. Go read it

Burn fam age shouldn't have been touched since they removed Viking funeral. Now the "grenades trigger burn" effect is useless. Also, incendiary grenades don't even one shot anymore!!! Please quit ruining everything bungie

I'd be happy with the new Viking funeral if it lasted longer and would do more than 5% extra damage. I can literally do 2 more damage on a head shot with my first curse while someone is burning. That makes no difference at all. Plus you only have about two seconds to make use of the bonus damage making it hard to stack it (I've never gotten it to stack unless it's on a boss and I have radiance active)

I actually had some respect for Bungie after the April update when they stuck to their guns and said if we touch Burn it guts the entire subclass. That indicated that they had a design purpose in mind for Sunsinger that wasn't going to be changed by ignorant crybabies. Well what happened between April 12th and yesterday when they gutted Sunsinger?

So basically what your saying is you dont like that sunsinger is back to being the support subclass it was always supposed to be

I cannot wait until people complain about double fusions

I'd say Touch of Flame burns you at 7 ticks for 4-5 seconds. (which is what it use to do, old VF gave addition 5-7 seconds of burn) But the dmg buff from VF lasts an addition 5 seconds. If it stacks up to 3x in PvP, face it, the dude is long far dead before that would even happen. Unless he was in an AoL bubble. In total 9-10 seconds. 4-5 seconds of burning (health regen would start after this) (ToF) And 5 seconds of possible extra damge from VF (While health is regenerating) And in PvE Thats pretty much 9-10 seconds of constant dmg on bosses etc... (Dont know how long Titan's Melting point lasts, but VF should essentially be a version that you can throw If that's what they are trying for.) I will gladly back up a Sunsinger as a support class that can deal some damage and buff their teammates at the same time.

A list of things I think are silly. Including what a Viking funeral is.

The class is completely useless in pvp. They nerfed the shields and got rid of vikings funeral and they nerfed the shields??? Umm wut??? The sunsinger class is dead. And not bc it was op its just bc some scrubs couldnt get gud

These sunsinger changes are complete shit. Subclass feels worthless in pvp now.

Thank u, well explained

My main is a warlock, but the reach on the fire bolt grenade was a little crazy. So people have to use a different grenade, they will survive. The warlock has other good grenades.

I don't mind the nerf